chrisp65 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: Surely the whole Labour movement is based upon the conflict of interests between the classes? that would be an outmoded Marxist dialectic nobody does Marxism anymore we just want our country back next slogan to gather around needs to be even shorter and simpler but just as attractive, I'm launching 'us not them'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: But what if the person is different from you because of class? Surely the whole Labour movement is based upon the conflict of interests between the classes? I think answering the question "what is the Labour Party for?" is one of the major challenges it now faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Getting into Fallout 4 now. Main story is a bit shit though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Tom Watson has called for Corbyn to resign as well. The vast majority of the PLP must be against him now. This is going to make a leadership election very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 15 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'd go the opposite way - Mooney's Left Wing firebrand could walk an election - what the referendum shows more than anything is that the British people are looking for a radical solution, if we have an election in the next year or so, my money would be on the least 'normal' candidate. it's strange that the labour party are so convinced that a 'normal' pretend-Tory candidate will win over a British public that just voted for a proposal pushed at them by Farage. If Corbyn looked and sounded like Tom Hiddleston he'd absolutely romp an election. Out of interest ( and this could be based on more EU myth than any truth) but how would Mooney's Left Wing firebrand renationalise the railways as promised had we stayed in the EU ? I don't think it's looks hold Corbyn back I think it's more down to the country not wanting to go full lefty , even the students who spout it , but then don't got and vote , soon change allegiance once they get their degree and start earning money at Credit Suisse first Boston etc I called these events early on Thursday night ( you may recall the fallout as someone took umbrage) ... I'd imagine Burnham would fancy his chances about now , which should make life easier for the Tories to Privatise the NHS in the not to distant future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Awol said: I think answering the question "what is the Labour Party for?" is one of the major challenges it now faces. I don't, at least it shouldn't be. Maybe I'm missing something, but it ought to be pretty simple. Same as for any "party". As much as the SNP are an Independence party, they have not been successful because of their desire for Independence, they've been successful because they've stood for the interests of the vast majority of the people who live in Scotland. There are many people in England who would love to have a similarly clear party, with a similar standpoint stand up for them (without the nationalist aspect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, blandy said: I don't, at least it shouldn't be. Maybe I'm missing something, but it ought to be pretty simple. Same as for any "party". As much as the SNP are an Independence party, they have not been successful because of their desire for Independence, they've been successful because they've stood for the interests of the vast majority of the people who live in Scotland. There are many people in England who would love to have a similarly clear party, with a similar standpoint stand up for them (without the nationalist aspect). They've lost their majority in the Scottish parliament , they lost their one big play on going it alone ... so Minority surely ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted June 27, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: They've lost their majority in the Scottish parliament , they lost their one big play on going it alone ... so Minority surely ? With an increased vote/%, so perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted June 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Tom Watson has called for Corbyn to resign as well. He really hasn't though. He's told Corbyn that he's in for a leadership election. That's hardly news as everyone can see it coming. The bbc have spun it a different way and that version of the story has gained traction. Edited June 27, 2016 by choffer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 1 minute ago, choffer said: He really hasn't though. He's told Corbyn that he's in for a leadership election. That's hardly news as everyone can see it coming. The bbq have spun it a different way and that version of the story has gained traction. True enough, having seen the actual quotes. Both of the below are from the BBC...Get your shit together BBC, jesus. Quote Labour deputy leader 'tells Jeremy Corbyn to quit' Posted at10:33 Tom Watson has told Jeremy Corbyn to resign. He told him he has "no authority with the PLP". Quote As the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg notes, Mr Watson didn't explicitly tell Mr Corbyn he should resign and stressed that the final decision was a matter for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 He hasn't told him to resign , he's just given him a gun and the bullets and offered Corbyn a way out I was trying to work out if Watson had a chance at becoming leader , I suspect not , but he's clearly seen the way the wind is blowing and decided to follow it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) One of the Eagles is out. Davkaus's chances of a shadow cabinet post are increasing by the minute! Edited June 27, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Just now, snowychap said: One of the Eagles is out. Davkaus's chance of a shadow cabinet post increasing by the minute! At this rate I'll have to be Shadow Minister For All Of The Things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: At this rate I'll have to be Shadow Minister For All Of The Things. Mandelson will fight you for that title! Edited June 27, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 1 minute ago, snowychap said: Mandelson will fight you for that title! He can have it in a few hours after I resign. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Other Eagle out, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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villakram Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 5 hours ago, chrisp65 said: that would be an outmoded Marxist dialectic nobody does Marxism anymore we just want our country back next slogan to gather around needs to be even shorter and simpler but just as attractive, I'm launching 'us not them'. Ahh... the standard trap/trope. Socialism == Marxism (Stalin/Mao implied), and nobody wants Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 Can you image if he gets re-elected. That would be absolutely humiliating for the labour party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Using VT for my barometer ( yeah, I know what was it 85 % remain ? ) I got the impression that Corbyn was the very reason they had returned to the Labour party (I'm not convinced they had ever left tbh but that's another argument ) We were told that Corbyn was a breath of fresh air that we as a country needed and that even most Tories agreed with a lot of his plans , re-nationalising the railways etc .... and tbh , they may have had a point ... true there would be too much about a Corbyn government that I couldn't subscribe to , but like with the EU vote , a small part of me would like to have seen what would have transpired ... He'd have had to balance the line between pandering to the City as Blair and Brown did ,(no bad thing imo ) , but he wouldn't have pandered to Directors at utility companies earning obscene bonuses and maybe we could have got into a position where the UK owned it's own utility companies and railways ... for sure someone else would foot that bill , but as the youth of today are keen on telling us , I'll be dead long before that bill has to be paid Now , we will just end up with Tory Lite again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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