The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[chrisp65]

on a lighter note of political corruption of the highest order...

The Labour run council of Cardiff West has been going around at night and in the early hours removing Plaid Cymru placards from private gardens. When the first lot went, they were replaced, when the second lot went, the police were informed. A quick bit of local rummaging and the council 'fessed up. They've said they mistakenly thought the placards were on council houses and housing association properties and were trying to make all the 'council estate and properties' political neutral during an election.

A weird little inconsequential diversion. Did anyone else think the council could remove posters from local authority housing stock? Plus of course, just unlucky that they only managed to remove the Plaid ones, I guess.

 

Plaid will finish a distant third or fourth in that area. 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2016 by chrisp65

[snowychap]

16 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Did anyone else think the council could remove posters from local authority housing stock?

Yes - if they were in communal areas.

No -if they were in individuals' areas.

Edited April 28, 2016 by snowychap

[Awol]

4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

'Khan is openly campaigning as a British Muslim'

I'm confused as to what this means. He is a British Muslim. However, I'm not aware of him producing Muslim-only materials stating half-truths and outright fictions about Goldsmith's relations with the Muslim community. If he has done so, please provide them and I'll criticise him on here for them. 

Has Khan been addressing gender segregated meetings of Muslim constituents, or is that only done when currying favour in the Midlands? 

[HanoiVillan]

52 minutes ago, Awol said:

Has Khan been addressing gender segregated meetings of Muslim constituents, or is that only done when currying favour in the Midlands? 

I believe the answer is 'yes' to the first question. 

[sharkyvilla]

9 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

I read an article earlier this week along the lines that Labour could take a hammering in the council elections  , I sorta dismissed it as I was lead to believe Joe Public liked Corbyn and his ideas to renationalise the railways and zillions of people had joined the Labour Party as a result .... Couple that with the nurses strike that "everyone " supports and Panama I'd have thought a labour landslide was inevitable 

so your unscientific survey begs the question ... Just how bad are labour right now ?

The same article also suggested Khan was a shoe in for London mayor by some landslide and that ironically as Khan dislikes Corbyn's policies  , will probably save Corbyns bacon ( it was a slightly longer article than that , supposedly Goldsmith is barely trying and doesn't want the job in the first place !!)

I saw something similar on TV.  A lot of the Blairites have been ratcheting up the pressure too by 'expecting' gains of a few hundred, so that any loss looks even worse.  Ironically the Tories want Corbyn to do well enough that he is still in charge for the next GE and Labour winning London would help that.  Like you I was very surprised that they look to be the first opposition party to lose council seats in the first local elections after a GE for decades, and I'll believe it when I see it.  They were also saying that it's a close run thing between Labour and the Tories in Scotland too but recent events (before the Jewish thing) make it unlikely they'll slip into third.

[HanoiVillan]

Labour appear to have closed the gap substantially in national polling in recent weeks, but it probably won't help much next week. Young people always go missing for council elections, even more than general elections. I expect Labour to win the Mayoralty and do very well in London, and lose 90% of everything else. It'll be a bad bad night for them IMO. 

[Mantis]

5 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

I saw something similar on TV.  A lot of the Blairites have been ratcheting up the pressure too by 'expecting' gains of a few hundred, so that any loss looks even worse.  Ironically the Tories want Corbyn to do well enough that he is still in charge for the next GE and Labour winning London would help that.  Like you I was very surprised that they look to be the first opposition party to lose council seats in the first local elections after a GE for decades, and I'll believe it when I see it.  They were also saying that it's a close run thing between Labour and the Tories in Scotland too but recent events (before the Jewish thing) make it unlikely they'll slip into third.

Do you mean actual Blairites or just anti-Corbyn MPs? Because the two aren't one and the same.

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, Mantis said:

Do you mean actual Blairites or just anti-Corbyn MPs? Because the two aren't one and the same.

In some cases, but there's a pretty much 1:1 correlation between 'Blairites' and 'Labour MPs who are undermining Corbyn in interviews to national media'. There are plenty of others (many in what we might call the 'E Miliband wing') who might not totally approve of Corbyn but are just getting on with it. 

[Mantis]

23 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

In some cases, but there's a pretty much 1:1 correlation between 'Blairites' and 'Labour MPs who are undermining Corbyn in interviews to national media'. There are plenty of others (many in what we might call the 'E Miliband wing') who might not totally approve of Corbyn but are just getting on with it. 

How many MPs are we talking about here? I don't think Blairites are as common as many of Corbyn's supporters like to make out. A few are Brownites and others are neither.

[HanoiVillan]

No, I agree with you. It's mostly the same dozen or so faces over and over again. 

[maqroll]

Amazing how the British chattering class has jumped all over Livingston in a comprehensive way, but strangely go silent when Britain sells Israel weapons and those weapons are used to bomb schools in Gaza.

[HanoiVillan]

Oh look, somebody has actually bothered to investigate all of this 'Labour's awash with anti-semitism' stuff, and it turns out that it's an awful lot less than made out:

https://opendemocracy.net/uk/jamie-stern-weiner/jeremy-corbyn-hasn-t-got-antisemitism-problem-his-opponents-do

'Labour has a ‘Jewish problem’. Or so it has been widely alleged. Headline after headline in recent weeks has claimed that the party, in whose last-but-one leadership election both front-runners were Jewish, has become infested with antisemitism. The outbreak has been blamed on the veteran socialist Jeremy Corbyn and the mass influx of new members who were inspired by his leadership to join. With a long-time Palestine solidarity campaigner at the helm, the party is now said to be attracting ‘antisemites like flies to a cesspit’. Respected commentators warn that the Jewish community is ‘fast reaching the glum conclusion that Labour has become a cold house for Jews’, while within the party, these are reportedly ‘difficult times to be a Jewish member’. With ‘Labour’s merger with the far right proceeding at speed’, pundits have urged public recognition of a sobering truth: ‘antisemitism is now firmly embedded in the Labour party’s DNA. . . Labour is a racist party now’.

These are extraordinary claims to level against the UK’s principal party of opposition, and they have generated an extraordinary amount of media coverage, albeit no serious investigation. The common premise underlying this torrent of articles, think-pieces and polemics – that antisemitism is a growing problem within the Labour party – is rapidly congealing into conventional wisdom. Yet this basic claim is devoid of factual basis. The allegations against Corbyn and the Labour party are underpinned by an almost comical paucity of evidence, while what evidence does exist not only fails to justify the claims being made, but has itself been systematically misrepresented. There is no grounds for supposing either that antisemitism is significant within the Labour party, or that its prevalence is increasing.'

It's quite a long read, but it goes into great detail. Worth a look before demonising 400,000 people by association. 

[snowychap]

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

Worth a look

This bit of the article is pretty shoddy stuff:

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Take the case of Labour councillor Beinazir Lasharie. According to right-wing gossip blog Guido Fawkes, Lasharie ‘was suspended for writing that “Jews” were behind 9/11 and ISIS has been reinstated to the party’. Another Fawkes headline referred to Lasharie as the ‘“Jews did 9/11” councillor’.[4] But in the Facebook post to which Fawkes was referring, Lasharie’s only mention of ‘Jews’ was to declare that she has ‘nothing against’ them.

The facebook post, according to the article, said:

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‘Many people know about who was behind 9/11 and also who is behind ISIS. I’ve nothing against Jews . . . just sharing it!’

I mean, come on...Staines might be a tosser but he isn't an idiot (neither are most readers).

[HanoiVillan]

I see your point, and agree (although he does point out some other selective quotation by Staines in the very next sentence). However, I don't think that sentence invalidates the article. 

[snowychap]

3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I see your point, and agree (although he does point out some other selective quotation by Staines in the very next sentence). However, I don't think that sentence invalidates the article. 

No, it doesn't. It is the kind of thing that really bloody annoys me, though. Sorry.

As for Staines, I stand by the tosser comment.

[HanoiVillan]

Just now, snowychap said:

No, it doesn't. It is the kind of thing that really bloody annoys me, though. Sorry.

As for Staines, I stand by the tosser comment.

To be clear, I do agree with you. It's an unfortunate sentence. 

And Staines is total bellend, no argument there. 

[Awol]

And on it goes...

Another two Labour Councillors suspended for anti-Semitism

It's come to something when a councillor can't go around being a disgusting hate-filled racist bigot without being smeared as a disgusting hate-filled racist bigot...

LOL 

[Awol]

Now 3 Labour Councillors suspended today for anti-Semitism.

Don't know if unprecedented or just remarkable, either way it's not good for JC. 

[Demitri_C]

Unbelievable right close to local dpd toons. Labour are a joke, they should be giving us hope and alternative to this government. Instead we get more stupidness from them. 

[tonyh29]

14 hours ago, Awol said:

Now 3 Labour Councillors suspended today for anti-Semitism.

Don't know if unprecedented or just remarkable, either way it's not good for JC. 

I just heard it's 16 now , with one (unconfirmed ) report saying as many as 50 !!! 

It would be interesting to see some more background on all  this , In London we appear to have Goldsmith targeting the vote by linking a Muslim candidate to terrorism and elsewhere we appear to have had  Muslims targeting Israel in order to attract the Muslim vote .... though this can't  be entirely explained by Livingston's actions which just seem bizarre

we live in some strange times