blandy Posted January 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 hours ago, peterms said: My view is that playing daft games with imbeciles only encourages them. Yeah, I suppose if all politicans started refusing to answer what they saw as daft questions aimed at here today gone tomorrow headlines we might get better information. But on the other hand any reasonably bright person ought to be able to deal with idiotic questions relatively easily and in the process highlight the stupidity. On this specific question, it's not (IMO) that daft a question. The context of Labour just having been horsed in an election, where the Tories were split, have largely wrecked the place over the last 9 and a half years, have created the Brexit mess and so on and yet still won massively is one in which it's absolutely fair and right to ask Labour leader candidates whether the problem they have was caused by their previous leader and/or how good a leader was he in the opinion of the candidate. Shorthanded, that's "can you give him marks out of 10?". The question, as you pointed out, exposed (in your twitters view) 3 of the candidates as (paraphrasing) effwits. At a slight tangent, we could almost turn round your sage advice, in a way - I mean there are far too many imbeciles with jobs as politicians and it's essentially pointless (the media) trying to get any sense from them, so the media are often left with little choice but to ask very simpleton questions of the effwits. It's like a mutual stupidity conspiracy, the media-politican thing. And it's been handed an extra dimension in recent times by the new approach of Trump and Johnson of just blatantly lying. At least we used to get to see that either a politican either couldn't fog a mirror, or was intellectually capable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 hours ago, peterms said: you should recognise as a simple fact that he is a possible contender Well, he's clearly not. His own party MPs have rather made that clear. The bloke is one of the effwits I was talking about. It's abundantly clear. Sometimes, even most times, people's views of politicians are formed from witnessing their performances in interviews and debates and so on. And those views are widely held. Gardner's a case in point. Sure people may have their view skewed by the media, by their personal political stance, or by other things - friends, family, prejudices etc. but most often someone who appears to be an incapable idiot is seen as exactly that - it's not party political - Liz Truss, Richard Burgeon, Mark Francois, Leadsom, Corbyn and an endless stream of others - they are all irredeemably too dim to be allowed anywhere near leadership roles, whatever their other charachterisitics. Then there's the clever fools, like Gove. People see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Corbyn saw fit to make this absolute idiot Shadow Secretary for International Trade, says it all. And seemingly pushed him in front of a camera every time he couldn't be arsed turning up himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Corbyn saw fit to make this absolute idiot Shadow Secretary for International Trade, says it all. To be fair, he may not be a very good politician but he isn't an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2020 Clive Lewis has just said he wants to have a referendum on abolishing the monarchy. Get's my vote. Doubt it'll be a popular policy for Labour though 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bickster said: Clive Lewis has just said he wants to have a referendum on abolishing the monarchy. Get's my vote. Doubt it'll be a popular policy for Labour though other than the completely removed from reality English hating vegan loving hotbed of yogurt knitters that is VT i doubt it's popular anywhere tbh Edited January 10, 2020 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: other than the completely removed from reality English hating vegan loving hotbed of yogurt knitters that is VT i doubt it's popular anywhere tbh It was popular in 1642. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Just now, meregreen said: It was popular in 1642. It's the new way of combatting the perceived Brexiter vote . If they want to go back to the 1950s, we'll go back to the 1640s! AHAHAHAHA! It's foolproof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 10, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, tonyh29 said: other than the completely removed from reality English hating vegan loving hotbed of yogurt knitters that is VT i doubt it's popular anywhere tbh you don't come to the People's Republic of Merseyside often do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, tonyh29 said: other than the completely removed from reality English hating vegan loving hotbed of yogurt knitters that is VT i doubt it's popular anywhere tbh I just think it should be put out to tender every now and again to see if anyone else would be willing to do it cheaper. There must be people out there that can wave and breed that would do it for less money. Or, if that’s too modern a way to pick a monarch, we should be allowed to fight her for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I just think it should be put out to tender every now and again to see if anyone else would be willing to do it cheaper. There must be people out there that can wave and breed that would do it for less money. Or, if that’s too modern a way to pick a monarch, we should be allowed to fight her for it. I think there should be some form of alternative biennial National Lottery. Top prize: Monarch for two years, then all the way down to two numbers and a lucky star getting you Wessex's gig. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I just think it should be put out to tender every now and again to see if anyone else would be willing to do it cheaper. There must be people out there that can wave and breed that would do it for less money. Or, if that’s too modern a way to pick a monarch, we should be allowed to fight her for it. he can breed and knows how to take a person down , if we can teach him to wave we have a winner Edited January 10, 2020 by tonyh29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: he can breed and knows how to take a person down , if we can teach him to wave we have a winner And he’d fall over that balcony first time a plane went over. Looks like we have a rare VT consensus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Or, if that’s too modern a way to pick a monarch, we should be allowed to fight her for it. Judging by Channel 4 last night, the modern way would be Naked Monarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 For those interested, an update on Leader / Deputy Leader noms: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 11, 2020 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2020 Rayner seems a shoe in for Deputy, there's no way the current membership will elect Ian Murray And you might aswell drop Thornberry and Lewis off the leader list today, neither are going to make it to the ballot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 23 hours ago, Rodders said: It's the new way of combatting the perceived Brexiter vote . If they want to go back to the 1950s, we'll go back to the 1640s! AHAHAHAHA! It's foolproof! Woohoo! When do we invade Ireland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Awol said: Woohoo! When do we invade Ireland? Awol Cromwell is raring to go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Finally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 She seems to want a second elected chamber instead. I don't see how that's an improvement to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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