bickster Posted February 13 Moderator Share Posted February 13 Candidate for Hyndburn now suspended for making Antisemitic comments, though from what I’ve seen quoted “F***ing Israel” and comments about UK citizens fighting for the IDF. Don’t seem on the surface of it to be actually AS. More to be revealed I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 13 VT Supporter Share Posted February 13 Oh you'd never stop laughing at Starmer getting into an anti-Semitism row, would you? Teehee. How's them face eating leopards you clearing in the woods? Best hope the complaints team is up to snuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Bloke kicked out of the Labour party for saying people who go to fight for the IDF should be locked up. How is this antisemitic? How can people continue to get away with being antisemitic themselves by equating Jews with Israel? Also, isn't it illegal to go abroad and fight for another nation anyway? Why was it the 'right' thing to do with Begum to strip her citizenship and leave her stateless, yet stating the actual law with regards to the IDF gets you suspended from your political party? I just have the feeling that people have lost their minds with the topic of Israel. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 31 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Bloke kicked out of the Labour party for saying people who go to fight for the IDF should be locked up. How is this antisemitic? Dual nationality - no problem - lots of us have 2 passports and family in different countries. But actively taking part in what the ICJ has identified as potentially genocidal behaviour? Any individual in that situation cannot expect the rules of one country to apply to the other and vice versa - they must individually weigh-up what the consequences of their actions might be balanced with the laws of the land where they reside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 14 Moderator Share Posted February 14 37 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Also, isn't it illegal to go abroad and fight for another nation anyway? Nope, not in that instance. It is illegal to sign up for a foreign army that is at war with a country the UK is at peace with. Two things come into play here. Firstly, we don't recognise Palestine as a country and secondly Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. It's no different to the UK citizens who went to fight with various militias against ISIS in Syria etc, in fact the ISIS ones were on far less clear legal grounds. No one was ever prosecuted that did that on their return. Also worth noting that we didn't ever prosecute any of the 3000 odd UK citizens that signed up to fight the fascists in Spain as part of the International Brigades before WW2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 All fair enough, it still doesn't make what he said antisemitic in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 14 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14 Israel has ground the accusation of antisemitism into the ground, and the Labour Party's kowtowing to it for factional gains (which brilliantly are now coming back to bite it's face off hopefully) has completely degraded it. It should be a heinous accusation, but it's been slathered with so much disingenuous bullshit and used so flagrantly it's lost a lot of weight. As for the Labour Party on it, well... look at the current debacle, and then look at the stuff they've spent the last 4 years chucking people out of the party for saying (including a number of Jewish party members), and the lines of Osamor only a fortnight ago. Complete jokers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Bloke kicked out of the Labour party for saying people who go to fight for the IDF should be locked up. How is this antisemitic? How can people continue to get away with being antisemitic themselves by equating Jews with Israel? Also, isn't it illegal to go abroad and fight for another nation anyway? Why was it the 'right' thing to do with Begum to strip her citizenship and leave her stateless, yet stating the actual law with regards to the IDF gets you suspended from your political party? I just have the feeling that people have lost their minds with the topic of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 There was a spokesbod for the Jewish Labour Grouping on radio 4 this morning, saying the Labour Party needed to track down everyone in that meeting where there was criticism of Israel, as not reporting criticism of Israel was anti semitic. Interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, bickster said: Nope, not in that instance. It is illegal to sign up for a foreign army that is at war with a country the UK is at peace with. Two things come into play here. Firstly, we don't recognise Palestine as a country and secondly Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. It's no different to the UK citizens who went to fight with various militias against ISIS in Syria etc, in fact the ISIS ones were on far less clear legal grounds. No one was ever prosecuted that did that on their return. Also worth noting that we didn't ever prosecute any of the 3000 odd UK citizens that signed up to fight the fascists in Spain as part of the International Brigades before WW2 It may not be illegal now but let’s hope they got done for being involved in war crimes at some point in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Staggering how that can be seen as anti semitic. Well actually it’s not. As Chindie says, something so heinous is being used as a weapon to stop any criticism of Israel. Jewish people being accused of anti semitism even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 14 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14 Stolen from elsewhere, but lovely point. Starmer is claiming he took decisive action on the candidate that don't like the Jews much. One of the accusations held against the Great Satan is that he interfered with disciplinary matters, which should not happen... Tut tut Kier. Best pack your desk up now, there's a good lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 14 Moderator Share Posted February 14 That Rochdale bye-election candidate list is nuts Labour not Labour candidate ex-Labour (remain) - now Reform - thats some leap by Simon Danczuk ex-Labour - now Putin puppet and roleplaying cat Green not Green candidate Independents *4 (5 if you include the obligatory MRLP) Tory Candidate LibDem candidate It really could be a seriously mental result. You'd have to kind of hope that everyone lumps on the LibDem by default Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, bickster said: That Rochdale bye-election candidate list is nuts You have to feel sorry for Rochdale, politically speaking. Also the place where Gordon Brown had his Gillian Duffy moment, and they had the misfortune of being represented by massive wrong 'un Cyril Smith for twenty years. Now all this silliness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: There was a spokesbod for the Jewish Labour Grouping on radio 4 this morning, saying the Labour Party needed to track down everyone in that meeting where there was criticism of Israel, as not reporting criticism of Israel was anti semitic. Interesting times. Yeah just seen how this has developed, anybody at that meeting who didn't challenge the AS remarks, has the Jewish Labour Movement calling for their heads. I say anybody who happens to know somebody who was at that meeting who didn't call out AS, should also be suspended by association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 14 Moderator Share Posted February 14 21 minutes ago, Jareth said: Yeah just seen how this has developed, anybody at that meeting who didn't challenge the AS remarks, has the Jewish Labour Movement calling for their heads. I say anybody who happens to know somebody who was at that meeting who didn't call out AS, should also be suspended by association. How authoritarian of you, that's remarkably Stalinist tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 14 Moderator Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, bickster said: How authoritarian of you, that's remarkably Stalinist tbh Starmerism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 14 Moderator Share Posted February 14 19 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Starmerism. Nah, Socialism. Far too authoritarian a doctrine on a personal / social level, it doesn’t matter which part of the party you are, there’s always, deep down an authoritarian streak. Kinnock /Blair / Brown / Corbyn / Callaghan / Wilson… they all had it, especially when it comes down to party discipline. It’s not even restricted to Labour, all the rest have it too. Socialism is very much about control, there are some aspects of life that need it, I'm very much in favour of controls on markets, nationalising key infrastructural elements etc but I'm far more libertarian on a personal freedom level and Labour are always the wrong side of that line for me. One of the main reasons I left the party in the 80s. I've never reacted well to those that like that element of control over people, it’s far to stifling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Lead down to 11-12 points in the last 2 polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 18 minutes ago, villan95 said: Lead down to 11-12 points in the last 2 polls. What polls are these. This appears to be the latest poll. Edited February 14 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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