Lichfield Dean Posted May 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: You know you're fooked when the Guardian's biggest Blairite is saying - After these elections, prospects of a 1997-style landslide look remote, but just removing this government would be enough https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/06/keir-starmer-local-election-results-labour-general-election "Labour is in charge in Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle and Norwich, too." Norwich? You're listing large cities with Labour control and you choose Norwich? Anything to avoid mentioning Birmingham eh? Typical Guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Jareth said: You know you're fooked when the Guardian's biggest Blairite is saying - After these elections, prospects of a 1997-style landslide look remote, but just removing this government would be enough https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/06/keir-starmer-local-election-results-labour-general-election Anyone seriously expecting a 1997 style landslide needed their heads checked out. Labour could run the best candidate in the world and still wouldn’t get it now the SNP have Scotland locked up. If Starmer is leading the next government in any form, he’ll have done an excellent job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 15 hours ago, colhint said: If and i don't know the outcome, but if he does end up in a fine he will be in a right pickle. Obviously Tories can't call for him to resign, but all of the media on him calling for Boris to go will be played over and over. That's why I don't understand why Tories are pushing it so much. He either ends up being found guilty and resigns, which makes Boris look bad, or he's found not guilty, which makes Boris look bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said: That's why I don't understand why Tories are pushing it so much. He either ends up being found guilty and resigns, which makes Boris look bad, or he's found not guilty, which makes Boris look bad It's because in the short term it gives them something to shout about. They don't care what tomorrow may bring, and if it is inconvenient, they will simply lie about it or shout about something different. It's a shitty playbook, but it's really all they have (aside from shovelling money from taxpayers into the hands of the stupidly wealthy, but even the Tories know they can't actually campaign on that). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said: That's why I don't understand why Tories are pushing it so much. He either ends up being found guilty and resigns, which makes Boris look bad, or he's found not guilty, which makes Boris look bad And given that Starmer's style doesn't seem to really be cutting through with large parts of the country, but nor is there enough going wrong to warrant a change, Starmer being forced to resign at this stage in the cycle might not be a terrible outcome either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Starmer being forced to resign at this stage in the cycle might not be a terrible outcome either. Apart from the Elephant in the room that they really don't have anyone of the right calibre to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, bickster said: Apart from the Elephant in the room that they really don't have anyone of the right calibre to replace him Andy Burnham? He seems like pretty much the anti-Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rolta said: Andy Burnham? He seems like pretty much the anti-Johnson. Impossible. He's not an MP and you have to be to be Leader of the Labour Party. He also can't be an MP and Mayor of Manchester as the role includes being Police and Crime Commisioner and you can't hold another elected position and be PCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Impossible. He's not an MP and you have to be to be Leader of the Labour Party Ah yes, I think I was aware of that. It's a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rolta said: It's a shame. I have a different opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, bickster said: Apart from the Elephant in the room that they really don't have anyone of the right calibre to replace him Perhaps - but it's not as if Starmer was the reincarnation of Attlee when he came in. The cleansing that he's done, you'd hope that someone like Nandy / Streeting wouldn't lose the support that Starmer has already recovered and might just have a bit more personality to add some more. The obvious downside would be three months of Burgon and Long-Bailey shouting about Corbyn all over again, which admittedly could ruin it all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 Sir Keir gets my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 7, 2022 Author Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) Keir isnt a bad labour leader to be honest. However if he is found to have broken the rules like johnson does makes him look like a complete imbecile as people will same they all the say and this could encourage more people not to vote. Like bicks say who do they go for if he goes. Rayner would be a disaster. Lammy? Streeting? Reeves? Edited May 7, 2022 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) Red Ed 2: Miliband Strikes Back? Edited May 7, 2022 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 7, 2022 Moderator Share Posted May 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: Red Ed 2: Miliband Strikes Back? Bacon Sandwich 2 - A doorstep too far 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 I’d stand my ground if I was Starmer. Let the Tories call for his sacking but just say I’ll go if Boris goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 8, 2022 Author Share Posted May 8, 2022 13 hours ago, Ingram85 said: I’d stand my ground if I was Starmer. Let the Tories call for his sacking but just say I’ll go if Boris goes. Thata not going to happen as he said he wouldnt rssign and would lead labour into the next election But what you said is exactly what i would do to get rid of bojo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted May 8, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted May 8, 2022 18 hours ago, Ingram85 said: I’d stand my ground if I was Starmer. Let the Tories call for his sacking but just say I’ll go if Boris goes. What he should do if fined is not resign citing the precedent set by Boris and Sunak, but instead offer to resign if all members of the Tory party who have been fined also resign. Putting all the pressure on them and giving them an impossible choice. If only he and Boris went I'd suspect a fair few Tories would actually be quite happy with that. It damages Labour and removes a problem for them by allowing a new leader to come in and to move forward with a clean slate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 It seems to me that the biggest problem Labour have if no rules were broken, is that the lines they're using are exactly the defence Boris was using - all rules were followed, they were no parties, it was a work event. Of course, Boris was absolutely full of shit, lying every step of the way, but even if Labour's denials are accurate and truthful, it continues the "they're all the same" narrative, which is absolutely infuriating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Starmers first question at PMQs "does the Prime Minister think I should resign if I am fined after being found to have broken COVID lockdown rules?" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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