flashingqwerty Posted January 2, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2017 at a guess, regular first team football, or a guaranteed start? Not saying any of this is whats happening, just that its a possibility given the delay. The Man Cikty scenario is less likely as unless they have made illegal contact with RHM they cant have made him an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2017 I think if he signs a contract, then he can get a loan and get a chance to play a little more football, I think a loan would be good for him at this stage of his development. If he doesn't sign, then he'll be sink or swim somewhere (most likely Glasgow by the sound of things) and he'll need to grow up and show up very, very quickly - that could be the making of him, or it could finish him up. I can't see him going the Crowley route and ending up on the hamsters wheel of loans for a great big Premier League club, simply because I think Crowley was much better as a player and that there isn't the same interest - in the longer term, that might be good news for RHM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I've met him once as I've said before on here, he's a very nice, well mannered and funny young man, not only that he's a brilliant young player. He's been at the football club since he was 9 years old, I personally don't think he'll leave but we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) On the bench today, I'm happy with that, it shows that he's in the manager's plans. He's a great talent, 18 years old, I don't think he'll leave Edited January 2, 2017 by sir_gary_cahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 I hope he's more 'brilliant' than Delfouneso was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I've met him once as I've said before on here, he's a very nice, well mannered and funny young man Not meant as a criticism of you SGC, but this isn't necessarily a good sign. Delfouneso's problem was that he was too nice; he was big, quick, skillful, but not aggressive enough, not enough nasty. Good top level strikers are very rarely nice people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) He's not as naturally talented with the ball at his feet as Delfouneso, nowhere near but I think Hepburn-Murphy has the required mentality and dedication. Delfouneso is still a good player, he's at Swindon Town, that's still a good level, edit- I understand perfectly where you're coming OBE Edited January 2, 2017 by sir_gary_cahill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2017 12 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Good top level strikers are very rarely nice people What makes you think that? It's completely untrue IMO. I've not met many, but they're all nice people. And of those I haven't met, most come across really well as people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 minute ago, blandy said: What makes you think that? It's completely untrue IMO. I've not met many, but they're all nice people. And of those I haven't met, most come across really well as people. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Not meant as a criticism of you SGC, but this isn't necessarily a good sign. Delfouneso's problem was that he was too nice; he was big, quick, skillful, but not aggressive enough, not enough nasty. Good top level strikers are very rarely nice people. Delfouneso's problem was simply lack of quality. Everything about his game was not good enough for the top division. Having seen the Championship too closely for comfort, I don't think he could do much in this division either. There is a world of difference from the youth levels to playing in first teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, blandy said: What makes you think that? It's completely untrue IMO. I've not met many, but they're all nice people. And of those I haven't met, most come across really well as people. I dunno, it's not from meeting them, more that i think those that make it have a certain nastiness, a certain single mindedness, Shearer, Defoe, Costa, Firmino, Van Persie, Aguero, Ibra, Long, Deeney, Vardy, - they all seem like they'd murder your granny for a goal. Gabby had it coming through, he wanted to shame defenders, he'd chip away at them all game, in their ear games were a fight - it's what's gone from him. It's what stopped Vassell doing justice to his enormous talent, he was shy, he just wanted to play. Thierry Henry said English football was a fight, he celebrated every goal in front of the away fans, he was arrogant and a bully. Delfouneso always looked like he wanted to help a defender up, shake his hand, share a smile; Shearer always looked like he wanted him dead. I'm sure they're all great company off the pitch and I think that's where I'm in the wrong in the way I've described RHM - but in my experience of watching youth football, there are lots of players that have the talent to come through, the ones that really seem to do well though always seem to have an edge. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just now, Heretic said: Delfouneso's problem was simply lack of quality. Everything about his game was not good enough for the top division. Having seen the Championship too closely for comfort, I don't think he could do much in this division either. There is a world of difference from the youth levels to playing in first teams. I agree with you entirely but also the difference from League 2 to League 1 to The Championship and to the Premier League are all massive too. Don't write off Delfouneso yet, he's still only 25 years old. He could still come back to haunt us, as a kid he was amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: i think those that make it have a certain nastiness I see where you're coming from - on the pitch. In that case yes. I thought you just meant generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2017 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, blandy said: I see where you're coming from - on the pitch. In that case yes. I thought you just meant generally. In fairness, SGC was referring to RHM generally - my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: Don't write off Delfouneso yet, he's still only 25 years old. He could still come back to haunt us, as a kid he was amazing He's a busted flush. If he ever players top division football again I will run across Villa Park during a game dressed in a tutu and nothing else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, sir_gary_cahill said: I agree with you entirely but also the difference from League 2 to League 1 to The Championship and to the Premier League are all massive too. Don't write off Delfouneso yet, he's still only 25 years old. He could still come back to haunt us, as a kid he was amazing No chance. Will be playing with Stefan Moore in a year or two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) If wiki is correct he has scored 1 goal in 18 league games, he is a striker who doesn't score goals. Although I haven't followed his career closely, so if he has changed his game, dropped into midfield like Paul Scholes I can only apologise. Edited January 2, 2017 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I dunno, it's not from meeting them, more that i think those that make it have a certain nastiness, a certain single mindedness, Shearer, Defoe, Costa, Firmino, Van Persie, Aguero, Ibra, Long, Deeney, Vardy, - they all seem like they'd murder your granny for a goal. Gabby had it coming through, he wanted to shame defenders, he'd chip away at them all game, in their ear games were a fight - it's what's gone from him. It's what stopped Vassell doing justice to his enormous talent, he was shy, he just wanted to play. Thierry Henry said English football was a fight, he celebrated every goal in front of the away fans, he was arrogant and a bully. Delfouneso always looked like he wanted to help a defender up, shake his hand, share a smile; Shearer always looked like he wanted him dead. I'm sure they're all great company off the pitch and I think that's where I'm in the wrong in the way I've described RHM - but in my experience of watching youth football, there are lots of players that have the talent to come through, the ones that really seem to do well though always seem to have an edge. Gabby had it coming through, he wanted to shame defenders, he'd chip away at them all game, in their ear games were a fight - it's what's gone from him. It's what stopped Vassell doing justice to his enormous talent, he was shy, he just wanted to play. Vassell enormous talent are you really sure about that? Imo he was bang average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Another substitute appearance for this young talent, can anyone tell me how he performed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 5 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said: He's not as naturally talented with the ball at his feet as Delfouneso, nowhere near but I think Hepburn-Murphy has the required mentality and dedication. Delfouneso is still a good player, he's at Swindon Town, that's still a good level, edit- I understand perfectly where you're coming OBE I saw The Fonz live a few weeks back when Walsall played down there. Swindon were terrible that day and indeed are just above the relegation zone. My opinion of Fonz when he was here and indeed seeing him five years one is he just isn't quick enough in the mind when playing e.g. once he pulled clear of the defence but instead of shooting took an extra touch and a defender cleared. He's been bench warming last few weeks so league 2 probably awaits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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