Cliffy Biro Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Im sure the subject of what we plan to do with hiring and the structure was made clear before hired, a DOF isnt necessarily picking the signings but everyone works together on it. If we can get a DOF with Fox above him and Sherwood and his staff around him then thats a decent structure to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 DOL as DOF, I'm not fickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sherwood is here as MANAGER, not head coach. I don't think we'll get a DOF BUT we may get a football man on a board role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Sherwood is here as MANAGER, not head coach. I don't think we'll get a DOF BUT we may get a football man on a board role The job is still being advertised on the headhunting firm's website, so we have to assume we are. http://nolanpartners.co.uk/current-roles/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Director of Football Operations is different from a Director of Football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 We have a new inexperienced chief executive, a new inexperienced head of recruitment, Both of those statements just seem plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Director of Football Operations is different from a Director of Football. Here's what the Birmingham Mail said about the post last month (in an article that may well have been written by Tom Fox) Unlike at other clubs the director of football role will not be heavily centred around identifying and purchasing players. Villa feel that with new director of recruitment Paddy Reilly already doing a decent job at Bodymoor Heath there is little need to add another commanding head to that section. Instead, Fox is thought to want someone who can look critically at areas such as sports medicine, data analysis and athletic performance to ensure the claret and blues are reaching their maximum potential. While the exact duties are not yet clear, it’s thought that a new arrival would not come in and under-cut any football responsibilities that the manager is in charge of. That would mean no interfering with the squad, team selection and game-based issues. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-searching-director-football-8482529 Not sure anyone really knows what this post will entail - maybe it depends on who they get to fill it. Edited February 18, 2015 by briny_ear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 More concerned with which staff will be below Sherwood to be honest. We don't have the greatest coaching set-up do we, and with the relative inexperience of TS we need good coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Alex Ferguson for DOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I don't see anything radical here. I doubt many clubs hire a manager and give him full control anymore. Too much money is involved. Sherwood will be in charge of the footballing side of things, with the directors of recruitment and 'footballing operations' fulfilling duties that were previously left to the manager and his coaching staff. Now, there will at least be some continuity between regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Director of Football Operations is different from a Director of Football. Seems like you are right. He is clearly not a fan of directors of football. “No – I’ve worked under a director of football,’’ said Sherwood, who operated under Franco Baldini at Spurs. “There is no point any club bringing in a footballer who the manager doesn’t want. Because there is no-one accountable then. Everyone is looking to blame everybody else. As we’ve seen.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11416924/.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 There is just too much money in football for the manager to have complete say on all transfer matters. I am all for a sensible structure to help Sherwood recruit the best players and to increase revenue so Lerner can sell his asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 One of Paul Lambert’s last acts as Aston Villa manager was to recommend the appointment of Scottish Herald football reporter Thomas Jordan as the new communications chief at Villa Park. Unfortunately, Jordan’s first day in the job coincided with the arrival of new manager Tim Sherwood. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2956205/The-FA-s-261million-profit-just-peanuts-compared-Premier-League-mega-deal.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Director of Football Operations is different from a Director of Football. Here's what the Birmingham Mail said about the post last month (in an article that may well have been written by Tom Fox) Unlike at other clubs the director of football role will not be heavily centred around identifying and purchasing players. Villa feel that with new director of recruitment Paddy Reilly already doing a decent job at Bodymoor Heath there is little need to add another commanding head to that section. Instead, Fox is thought to want someone who can look critically at areas such as sports medicine, data analysis and athletic performance to ensure the claret and blues are reaching their maximum potential. While the exact duties are not yet clear, it’s thought that a new arrival would not come in and under-cut any football responsibilities that the manager is in charge of. That would mean no interfering with the squad, team selection and game-based issues. Not sure anyone really knows what this post will entail - maybe it depends on who they get to fill it. Has Con be announced yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2015 There is just too much money in football for the manager to have complete say on all transfer matters. I am all for a sensible structure to help Sherwood recruit the best players and to increase revenue so Lerner can sell his asset. UK is the only place a manager has or expects that type of control. A good DOF will be out of the spotlight trying to see through a vision from the youth teams through to the first team and recruiting to suit that philosophy. Recruiting the head coach etc. to suit too. I doubt we'll go that far, but for continuity's sake it would be a good idea to have a long term view above the position of head coach/manager. It woudl avoid a repeat of what happened when MON left and the radical changes of approach seen with Houllier then McLeish and then Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 17, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 17, 2015 Director of Football Operations is different from a Director of Football. Seems like you are right. He is clearly not a fan of directors of football. “No – I’ve worked under a director of football,’’ said Sherwood, who operated under Franco Baldini at Spurs. “There is no point any club bringing in a footballer who the manager doesn’t want. Because there is no-one accountable then. Everyone is looking to blame everybody else. As we’ve seen.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11416924/.html I just love Tim already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 let the manager manage and the coaches coach, theres no point in someone coming in an over riding Sherwoods every decision and buying players who TS doesnt want the manager should be responsible for player purchases, coaching employment and contract renewals, or am i just being old fashioned? what we need is 3 good coaches, goalkeeping, defensive and attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisagg75 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 i think the problem in this country is that a dof usually is an ex manager.maybe it should be a job for someone with a scouting background instead,identifying players and the manager then picking the ones he wants.then the dof deals with the club/player initially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam3773 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Do we think Paddy's being groomed for the role? He has been seen a lot recently with Tim and more recently Randy. Seems like a lot of exposure for a director of recruitment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 let the manager manage and the coaches coach, theres no point in someone coming in an over riding Sherwoods every decision and buying players who TS doesnt want the manager should be responsible for player purchases, coaching employment and contract renewals, or am i just being old fashioned? what we need is 3 good coaches, goalkeeping, defensive and attacking That only happens when the model is fundamentally broken. First Team Coach coaches the team, identifies week spots and asks the DOF to recruit to improve the squad in the areas of concern. DOF identifies players and shortlists according to what the club can afford - discusses this with first team coach who agrees targets for the DOF to recruit. There is no reason that model can't work if everyone pulls together and doesn't act like arrogant idiots. Its a joint decision - not one over another. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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