chappy Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Just gone off injured for the under 21s Shame. What stick will Sherwood be beaten with Saturday now? Maybe you could lend one of your Lambert sticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted April 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2015 We need Sinclair back, and a good left back. Whether Gil plays or not is irrelevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 My two pence, for what its worth: We know that Sherwood likes to bring through young, home grown talent. He comes into the club where the best prospect is a dribbler who can come in off the wing or play in the hole. And he also sees that the club have just signed another similar player from abroad who will stand in the way of said home grown player. He's annoyed that the club have done this because he thinks it stands in the way of the best young players getting an opportunity, something he has spent the last few years championing. As such Gil becomes a totem 'Carles Kickaballs' that Sherwood is immediately poorly disposed to, and when the opportunity comes to bring on a player he goes for the previously sidelined Grealish rather than Gil, which also reaffirms his media perception as a champion of young home grown talent. Gil on the other hand, has come in and made a massive impression with the fans in a few short games, looked like one of the best players at the club, and suddenly finds himself out of the team when a new 'old school' manager takes the reigns and he has an anonymous first game out of position against Stoke. He feels victimised and wonders what is going on. This makes the relationship between him and Sherwood a bit difficult, which exacerbates the problem of game time. Seems like things came to a head last night with Gil driving out of Villa Park before kick off. That's a rough sketch of what I think has gone down here. IMO it's poor management from Sherwood because it's quite possible to bring Grealish in to the side whilst also giving Gil an opportunity. Perhaps Sherwood things he can't carry the pair of them in a relegation battle but Gil should at least be coming off the bench and in some instances starting (eg at United). Unfortunately I think it's difficult to see Gil staying in the summer because the bridges have already been burned.He'll do well elsewhere. I saw enough from him to suggest he's a real talent. Reflects poorly on Sherwood IMO. Huge amount of conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Nick Mashiter @nickmashiter 17h17 hours ago For the avoidance of doubt, Carles Gil did not storm out from #avfc pre-game. Was pitchside beforehand and watched game in players' box. There we go - indignant reactions to an unfounded rumour yet again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 He probably did leave the ground, but was told to come back or face a fine or something. Apparently he was walking around the pitch before kickoff so I would say that's the club wheeling him out there to keep up appearances... Yes, that will be it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2015 We scored 3 goals yesterday so why are people complaining so much about the decision not to play Gil.May as well never sign any attackers ever again then.Talking about the decision not to play him in this specific match. Yeah I get that. So if we scored 3 goals in this match we may as well not buy any more attackers, right? That's how your logic is working. Point is, scoring three doesn't mean you shouldn't be looking for improvements. Just because we scored three goals doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for better attacking options, regardless of who provides them. Scoring 3 would indicate that there is not a lot wrong with the attack, and it does not need much improving. Unless you think we should be scoring 4, 5, 6 goals every game. You've missed the point. Scoring 3 in a game is fine, but it doesn't mean everything is brilliant. We scored 2 against Hull in august. Did that suggest everything was fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 well no as we scored 2 goals in the 10 games around that including a home defeat to Leyton Orient(a team that are having a season as bad as us) was only 3 weeks ago we scored 4 against Sunderland and week before that we scored 4 in a week against a close rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 It's a no-brainer for me. Gil has flair and skill that no one else in our squad has. He should make the bench at least, but even that would be daft. I don't care if he doesn't track back as much as other midfielders, they're not all that hot at it either. We're still conceding goals every game without him in the team, we might as well have him on there to increase creativity and thus our chance to score more goals since outscoring the opposition is our only real hope given our pretty piss poor defensive record. A diamond of Sanchez, Delph, Cleverley and Gil just behind Gabby and Benteke is what we should be playing in my opinion, with the full backs bombing forward -- and Richardson should never be one of them. Stop playing Weimann too, ffs. I got pretty sick and tired quite early on of Lambert's stubborn streak and his lack of changing his approach. I'm concerned that Sherwood is heading in that direction too. I don't care if he doesn't think Gil is suited to a relegation scrap, it doesn't seem like any of the others are either. Mentally we are very fragile, might as well play your best players and give yourself the best chance. So drop Grealish, arguably our best player on Monday after Benteke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I'd love an explanation as to how someone who was performing so well has ended up being frozen out. I can only assume he keeps shitting in Sherwood's Happy Meals and stealing his toys. Sherwood's explanation, given on two separate occasions now, is (to paraphrase) that however well Gil might have been playing, he was part of a team that had lost 7 matches in a row and Sherwood's priority is to create a team that can get points. Gil doesn't currently make it into the teams he is picking to play more attacking football that will get us enough points to stay up. Why are the rest of the players who were part of the team that lost 7 in a row still getting a look in? Because they are now playing well in a system that Sherwood does not think Gill fits into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) I'll be surprised if Grealish plays most of the remaining games if i'm honest even though I think he did well. Grealish and Gil have the ability to go past players and make something happen. They should be both in the squad whether it's a starting or a bench role. To discard Gil completely from the squad is lunacy. I'm also still not sure the system is working certainly the midfield is far too lightweight which is why we concede so many goals as it offers VERY little protection. Edited April 8, 2015 by dudevillaisnice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2015 well no as we scored 2 goals in the 10 games around that including a home defeat to Leyton Orient(a team that are having a season as bad as us) was only 3 weeks ago we scored 4 against Sunderland and week before that we scored 4 in a week against a close rival This backs up my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Gil should at least be in the squad. Who knows if he'd have been used more we might have done more than just beat Sunderland WBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 We scored 3 goals yesterday so why are people complaining so much about the decision not to play Gil. May as well never sign any attackers ever again then. Talking about the decision not to play him in this specific match. Yeah I get that. So if we scored 3 goals in this match we may as well not buy any more attackers, right? That's how your logic is working. Point is, scoring three doesn't mean you shouldn't be looking for improvements. Just because we scored three goals doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for better attacking options, regardless of who provides them. Scoring 3 would indicate that there is not a lot wrong with the attack, and it does not need much improving. Unless you think we should be scoring 4, 5, 6 goals every game. You've missed the point. Scoring 3 in a game is fine, but it doesn't mean everything is brilliant. We scored 2 against Hull in august. Did that suggest everything was fine? Thanks but I have not missed the point. Try re- reading my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Oh well - people are going to have to cuddle their Charles Gil posters whilst sobbing to 1D records. He's probably finished at this club. If anyone is actually that bothered to see him play then I reckon you'll have to start following whatever second rate Spanish team we flog him to in the summer. Edited April 8, 2015 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 If we're relegated because of Sherwood not picking Gil then he won't be the only one leaving in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 If we're relegated because of Sherwood not picking Gil then he won't be the only one leaving in the summer. But if we get relegated it won't be because we've failed to pick an ex-Valencia reserve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 8, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) We scored 3 goals yesterday so why are people complaining so much about the decision not to play Gil.May as well never sign any attackers ever again then.Talking about the decision not to play him in this specific match.Yeah I get that. So if we scored 3 goals in this match we may as well not buy any more attackers, right? That's how your logic is working. Point is, scoring three doesn't mean you shouldn't be looking for improvements. Just because we scored three goals doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking for better attacking options, regardless of who provides them.Scoring 3 would indicate that there is not a lot wrong with the attack, and it does not need much improving. Unless you think we should be scoring 4, 5, 6 goals every game.You've missed the point. Scoring 3 in a game is fine, but it doesn't mean everything is brilliant. We scored 2 against Hull in august. Did that suggest everything was fine? Thanks but I have not missed the point. Try re- reading my post.You have. My point is you don't say "well we scored 3 goals, let's never ever change anything ever" It doesn't work like that. Just because we scored 3 goals doesn't mean Gil should never play. Otherwise by that logic we'd never make anymore attacking signings because we once scored 3 against one of the worst teams in the league. Edited April 8, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 What a bizarre post. I agree he is probably finished at this club but I am quietly confident he will have a good career elsewhere. He won't be in the second division that is for sure. It's Tim that has to adapt until he has his own players in and this just isn't relating to Gil, we don't have the players to play a midfield two to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 of course it doesnt but the fact we scored 3 goals and people are saying we would have won with Gil is the part I find strange. It wasnt our lack of goals why we didnt win last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 What a bizarre post. I agree he is probably finished at this club but I am quietly confident he will have a good career elsewhere. He won't be in the second division that is for sure. It's Tim that has to adapt until he has his own players in and this just isn't relating to Gil, we don't have the players to play a midfield two to start with. Second rate, not second division - you know, clubs like Elche. That's the standard of club he'll end up at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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