Stevo985 Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 I don't get R&B music. It has stolen its name from an earlier form of music in order to pass itself off as something other than tuneless pop with embarrassingly bad lyrics. I know what you mean, and totally get where you're coming from, but I do like some RnB (to differentiate from R&B ). Mainly to do with the fact that back in the days of sowing wild oats, I used to go out to a club on a Thursday night, that played that kind of stuff. Oh man, I've got some great memories from those times! Memories that I often turn too, in the lonely hours of the night. Some RnB is great. However, I'm definitely not a fan of the slow RnB "ballad" that is rife these days. People like Trey Songz. Rubbish Good RnB is still good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I don't get R&B music. It has stolen its name from an earlier form of music in order to pass itself off as something other than tuneless pop with embarrassingly bad lyrics. I know what you mean, and totally get where you're coming from, but I do like some RnB (to differentiate from R&B ). Mainly to do with the fact that back in the days of sowing wild oats, I used to go out to a club on a Thursday night, that played that kind of stuff. Oh man, I've got some great memories from those times! Memories that I often turn too, in the lonely hours of the night. Some RnB is great. However, I'm definitely not a fan of the slow RnB "ballad" that is rife these days. People like Trey Songz. Rubbish Good RnB is still good though. Oh yeah, I've no idea about the more modern stuff. I'm talking circa 1996 - 1998. Blackstreet, Montel Jordan, Mary J Blige, Lauryn Hill kind of stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Exactly, although the line blurs between RnB and hip hop. I don't really know the difference. There is some phenomenally good hip hop though. LIke I said in another thread, I find it strange when people write off an entire genre of music, especially one as varied as RnB/Hip Hop. But I guess that's why this thread is here Edited November 19, 2014 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 I find it strange when people write off an entire genre of music, especially one as varied as RnB/Hip Hop. I do like a lot of Hip Hop, but I wouldn't lump those two together at all. I agree that it's silly to write off an entire genre of music: People do that a lot with dance music and it drives me crazy. If you say there's some good RnB out there, I'll (somewhat generously) believe you, it's just that so far I've found it almost exclusively to be populated by the kind of performers who put big photographs of themselves on their album covers as if how they look should be a reason to listen to them (remember Craig David?). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 I find it strange when people write off an entire genre of music, especially one as varied as RnB/Hip Hop. I do like a lot of Hip Hop, but I wouldn't lump those two together at all. I agree that it's silly to write off an entire genre of music: People do that a lot with dance music and it drives me crazy. If you say there's some good RnB out there, I'll (somewhat generously) believe you, it's just that so far I've found it almost exclusively to be populated by the kind of performers who put big photographs of themselves on their album covers as if how they look should be a reason to listen to them (remember Craig David?). What if you genuinely hate the actual style, though? People keep telling me about the 'good' hip hop, but whenever I give it a listen it still sounds like the same shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I haven't understood the nuances of genre since apocalyptic zombie trance metal melded into death baby jazz. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) What if you genuinely hate the actual style, though? People keep telling me about the 'good' hip hop, but whenever I give it a listen it still sounds like the same shite. Purely imo, much of hip hop and nearly all of RnB seems to be satisfied to be nothing more than XX for the sake of XX. But hip hop acts like Public Enemy, George Clinton (on occasions when he dabbled), De La Soul and A Tribe Called Quest have all produced hip hop that is real quality. There you go MJM. Some samey shite for you. I believe if you listen to the whole thing even you might nod your head a LITTLE when it gets into its stride. Edited November 19, 2014 by CrackpotForeigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) That's fairly inoffensive I agree. I didn't listen to all of it, but there didn't seem to be any rapping on it, which is the main thing. Rapping (other than Gil Scott Heron) is a deal breaker. Edited November 19, 2014 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 19, 2014 Moderator Share Posted November 19, 2014 I generally agree about not liking people dismissing entire genres of music as being crap but then along comes Jazz to make me a hypocrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 That's fairly inoffensive I agree. I didn't listen to all of it, but there didn't seem to be any rapping on it, which is the main thing. Rapping (other than Gil Scott Heron) is a deal breaker. Oh, Mooney! If you didn't get to the rapping you didn't get to the proper funky bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 I just don't get anyone who doesn't get GMF's The Message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 For me rapping is the best form of singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 For me rapping is the best form of singing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vX4ETlCr4A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well obviously not all rap is good but for the most part I think it renders indie-rock and related obsolete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sorry, but no. It sounds horrible. Sing properly, or shut the **** up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2014 I generally agree about not liking people dismissing entire genres of music as being crap but then along comes Jazz to make me a hypocrite Jazz is effin fantastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 GLC are 'the **** bomb' as my old nan would say. Seen them 3 or 4 times, great night out. Eggsy once borrowed my pen on a train, yeah, I'm that connected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted November 19, 2014 Author Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sorry, but no. It sounds horrible. Sing properly, or shut the **** up. If that's in reply to my post all I can say is "Thanks for trying." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sorry, but no. It sounds horrible. Sing properly, or shut the **** up. My old Granny, used to say the same about anyone who came after John McCormack and Richard Tauber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Hip hop is alright when they have something to say and often with a bit of humour/satire, mainly like they did when it first came out. A lot of it now seems to be about money, dicks, tits and arses. And they all end up 'featuring' on each other's records, that really winds me up for no real reason. RnB is just shit pop music if you ask me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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