villaajax Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I have to say I was surprised by Brand... not a paradigm or hegemony to be heard after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That was such an anti climax. Showed why Russell Brand could never lead a revolution, just promote it. Farage again showing how amateur he is. This political system sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Brand didn't do too well - nor would anyone else without a support research team.I thought he did okay (on the few things that he said that weren't prepared).The prepared stuff was shoddy. Edited December 11, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 woman on Question Time right now in the audience in the stripey top utterly thick or nasty racist? she claims to be from Canterbury and has just complained that Canterbury prison is full of immigrant prisoners HMP Canterbury closed in 2013 The inmates still in there must be getting pretty hungry by now. That nobody on the panel picked her up on that point - does that mean they were simply waiting for their turn rather than listening? Or were they ignorant of what's happening in the town they are currently in, or were they busy having a quick minute on Candy Crush? People all over the country that desperately want to believe 'sending them back' will make Britain a better place will feel their wrong view of the world was just justified and re proven. All us 'foreigners' should go on strike for a week. See how the country copes. We'll do what we always did .... Plenty of cheap labour to be had North of Watford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Brand calling her love didn't help his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 russel brand shot himself in the foot when that guy said why dont you run for office and he said "i would be scared i would become one of them" sucidal response in my view. you cant sit here critise them and then say something like that in addition i thought farages comment about the purple heair woman showing "what pleasant supporters you have" did actually make me laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Huge anti-climax. Farage was very obviously playing it safe, and Brand didn't have anything remotely interesting to say once he'd shoehorned his Enoch Powell comment in. Most interesting bits were the mad old lady saying she was coming for Farage, and the big old bloke having a go at Brand. Who says the BBC isn't impartial?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think Penny Mordaunt was lucky to be overshadowed by the profiles of Brand and Farage as much of the complete guff she came out with will be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Both of them looked out of their depth. I don't think Farage was playing it safe, he was the same as he always is when he's around people who aren't afraid to call him on his bullshit, and Brand is not a great political thinker, he just repeats fragments of ideas he read elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 woman on Question Time right now in the audience in the stripey top utterly thick or nasty racist? she claims to be from Canterbury and has just complained that Canterbury prison is full of immigrant prisoners HMP Canterbury closed in 2013 Both. She could barely remember her script provided by Nigel in the lobby, I think Penny Mordaunt was lucky to be overshadowed by the profiles of Brand and Farage as much of the complete guff she came out with will be forgotten. What a waste of space, but then, wasn't she the one who said "cock" several times in a Parliamentary speech just for a bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Posted December 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2014 Cant stand Brand cant stand Farage, in many ways they are similar characters. Farage and his party are a bunch of opportunistic medicine men selling a vision of a country that will never be. A 1950's post WAR vision tainted by rose coloured glasses, pandering to the fears and worries of a portion of the population and using that fear to get what they want. The worst type of politician. Do we have an issue with immigration? Maybe but the main issue has been over the years a failure to discuss it for fear of being labelled a racist by the politically correct lobby. That restriction of debate has led to Farage and his mates coming to the fore as they play on that. They are nothing more than opportunistic and Ive seen it myself with communications from local politicians from UKIP just saying they are going to use voter apathy and anger to get in. Not one idea on policy, certainly nothing at a local level. Just using that fear and it is opportunistic. However as much as I criticise UKIP what I cannot criticise them for is standing. If Brand really "knows what we have to do" to quote him from last night, then stand . Stand and do it. Don't just preach from the sidelines like some pied piper but not doing anything about it. To do that loses any semblence of credibility he has. I do not for one minute buy into his vision (as much as I do not buy the UKIP vision) but he should at least have the guts to stand for it and see how many do. Carping and preaching from the sidelines without attempting to make a change, I ave as little respect for that as I do the opportunistic nature of UKIP 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Great post Richard. I can't stand populism of both the left and right-wing variety. If Brand and Farage are the best they can offer then that should be enough reason for anybody not to buy into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 They are nothing more than media whores who last night used the BBC to flash their gash and tout for business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted December 12, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2014 Cant stand Brand cant stand Farage, in many ways they are similar characters. Farage and his party are a bunch of opportunistic medicine men selling a vision of a country that will never be. A 1950's post WAR vision tainted by rose coloured glasses, pandering to the fears and worries of a portion of the population and using that fear to get what they want. The worst type of politician. Do we have an issue with immigration? Maybe but the main issue has been over the years a failure to discuss it for fear of being labelled a racist by the politically correct lobby. That restriction of debate has led to Farage and his mates coming to the fore as they play on that. They are nothing more than opportunistic and Ive seen it myself with communications from local politicians from UKIP just saying they are going to use voter apathy and anger to get in. Not one idea on policy, certainly nothing at a local level. Just using that fear and it is opportunistic. However as much as I criticise UKIP what I cannot criticise them for is standing. If Brand really "knows what we have to do" to quote him from last night, then stand . Stand and do it. Don't just preach from the sidelines like some pied piper but not doing anything about it. To do that loses any semblence of credibility he has. I do not for one minute buy into his vision (as much as I do not buy the UKIP vision) but he should at least have the guts to stand for it and see how many do. Carping and preaching from the sidelines without attempting to make a change, I ave as little respect for that as I do the opportunistic nature of UKIPI'll agree with you on Farage, in fact I'd say you'd under sold him but can't agree on what you've said on BrandI fundamentally disagree that people who go on about political the time should stand for election. Its wrong.It suggests that people should "put up or shut up". This is meant to be a democracy and people are allowed opinions, having an opinion does not mean you have to put your opinions to the electoral test. Actually what this country needs is everyone to be a Brand in the sense that they talk about politics and the real issues as they see them. Governments wouldn't get away with half the stuff they do if everyone was engaged in the process and joined the debate. So I have to fundamentally disagree with what you've said about Brand, even though he is a tit. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Cant stand Brand cant stand Farage, in many ways they are similar characters. Farage and his party are a bunch of opportunistic medicine men selling a vision of a country that will never be. A 1950's post WAR vision tainted by rose coloured glasses, pandering to the fears and worries of a portion of the population and using that fear to get what they want. The worst type of politician. Do we have an issue with immigration? Maybe but the main issue has been over the years a failure to discuss it for fear of being labelled a racist by the politically correct lobby. Absolutely correct Richard. Lets have a proper informed debate about the positives and negatives on the subject, at least the people who are flocking to stand under the UKIP banner might see that they are not all they think they are. The 2 major parties have been running scared on the subject and essentially created the vacuum for UKIP to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If you fundamentally do not believe in the system then how you can you partake in it? You've got to try and change it. Many people have tried to change it within. It just doesn't work. Look at Obama. He might as well be another Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 unfortunately bicks in today society (the future generation) they are more interested in their ipads then whats really going on in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 unfortunately bicks in today society (the future generation) they are more interested in their ipads then whats really going on in the world Think that is harsh on Obama Omar, real politik, Machiavelli and all that, he is trying to make things better within the constraints of a really really messed up system. I can't blame him for that even if he didnt live up to the Yes We Can bull shit he rode in on. Anyone who really believed he was the new Messiah and is now dissapointed should slap themselves in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Good post here from Robin Ince on last night. http://robinince.wordpress.com/2014/12/12/some-questions-provoked-by-questiontime/ Edited December 12, 2014 by villaglint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 That's my point villaglint. He obviously had good intentions. However the system will never allow him to fulfil his promises. Although Guantanamo is all on his shoulders imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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