Russel Brands "The Trews"

[Jon]

 

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

 

well quite  .. Boat race clearing in the woods came from a highly privileged background as I recall 

 

but on the same logic does this mean that not all Tories are evil ,steal from babies are ideologically driven  etc a view that you tend to endorse posters for making in the Bolitics thread with "likes" 

 

[chrisp65]

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

[chrisp65]

 

 

 

well quite  .. Boat race clearing in the woods came from a highly privileged background as I recall 

 

but on the same logic does this mean that not all Tories are evil ,steal from babies are ideologically driven  etc a view that you tend to endorse posters for making in the Bolitics thread with "likes" 

 

[blandy]

There tends to be a trait with tories that is more about the self (self and family). It seems more about "look after yourself and family, and the rest can take care of themselves". It can be deduced that this is heartless, or uncaring towards others.

 

there tends to be a trait with more lefty people that is more about "look after everyone". It can be deduced that this avoids an element of personal responsibility.

 

It's like the right tend to be more about look after yourself and those who try to help themselves, and the left is more about look after those who cannot help themselves.

 

I'm not saying I agree with these deductions, but I think it's where a lot of the sterotypes come out, particularly wrt the tories, (who also often come across as heartless baby eaters because they are all heartless eat baby eaters ).

[PauloBarnesi]

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

[Jon]

There tends to be a trait with tories that is more about the self (self and family). It seems more about "look after yourself and family, and the rest can take care of themselves". It can be deduced that this is heartless, or uncaring towards others.

 

there tends to be a trait with more lefty people that is more about "look after everyone". It can be deduced that this avoids an element of personal responsibility.

 

It's like the right tend to be more about look after yourself and those who try to help themselves, and the left is more about look after those who cannot help themselves.

 

I'm not saying I agree with these deductions, but I think it's where a lot of the sterotypes come out, particularly wrt the tories, (who also often come across as heartless baby eaters because they are all heartless eat baby eaters ).

[Jon]

 

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

 

But to live a life that benefits from things you deride in public seems peculiar to me.

 

[tonyh29]

There tends to be a trait with tories that is more about the self (self and family). It seems more about "look after yourself and family, and the rest can take care of themselves". It can be deduced that this is heartless, or uncaring towards others.

 

there tends to be a trait with more lefty people that is more about "look after everyone". It can be deduced that this avoids an element of personal responsibility.

 

It's like the right tend to be more about look after yourself and those who try to help themselves, and the left is more about look after those who cannot help themselves.

 

I'm not saying I agree with these deductions, but I think it's where a lot of the sterotypes come out, particularly wrt the tories, (who also often come across as heartless baby eaters because they are all heartless eat baby eaters ).

[Jon]

 

There tends to be a trait with tories that is more about the self (self and family). It seems more about "look after yourself and family, and the rest can take care of themselves". It can be deduced that this is heartless, or uncaring towards others.

 

there tends to be a trait with more lefty people that is more about "look after everyone". It can be deduced that this avoids an element of personal responsibility.

 

It's like the right tend to be more about look after yourself and those who try to help themselves, and the left is more about look after those who cannot help themselves.

 

I'm not saying I agree with these deductions, but I think it's where a lot of the sterotypes come out, particularly wrt the tories, (who also often come across as heartless baby eaters because they are all heartless eat baby eaters ).

and yet one of our most ardent left voters said in that very thread he voted for the party that looked after him and his family first

 

I know it's VT but your stereotypes don't work  ... even if you do cycle and hug trees

 

[blandy]

and yet one of our most ardent left voters said in that very thread he voted for the party that looked after him and his family first

 

I know it's VT but your stereotypes don't work  ... even if you do cycle and hug trees

 

Ah, but you see, you've proved they do. By not using yourself as an example, you've implicitly consented to its accuracy and confirmed your taste for infant flesh.

[PauloBarnesi]

There tends to be a trait with tories that is more about the self (self and family). It seems more about "look after yourself and family, and the rest can take care of themselves". It can be deduced that this is heartless, or uncaring towards others.

 

there tends to be a trait with more lefty people that is more about "look after everyone". It can be deduced that this avoids an element of personal responsibility.

 

It's like the right tend to be more about look after yourself and those who try to help themselves, and the left is more about look after those who cannot help themselves.

 

I'm not saying I agree with these deductions, but I think it's where a lot of the sterotypes come out, particularly wrt the tories, (who also often come across as heartless baby eaters because they are all heartless eat baby eaters ).

 

I would say the right and the left are exactly alike in that its all about look after people of the same political colouring and those they gain political advantage from. Oh and hypocrisy will always be the order of the day. 

 

And whatever the colour; the establishment looks after itself.

[tonyh29]

 

and yet one of our most ardent left voters said in that very thread he voted for the party that looked after him and his family first

 

I know it's VT but your stereotypes don't work  ... even if you do cycle and hug trees

 

Ah, but you see, you've proved they do. By not using yourself as an example, you've implicitly consented to its accuracy and confirmed your taste for infant flesh.

 

now you mention it I am partial to jelly babies

 

[PauloBarnesi]

 

 

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

 

But to live a life that benefits from things you deride in public seems peculiar to me.

 

In what way?

 

He's no longer with Khan, and lives in an east london apartment. It isn't exactly Buckingham Palace.

 

 

So he didn’t benefit in any way from a house purchased in an elaborate scheme to avoid pay inheritance tax, set up by that great man of the people Jimmy Goldsmith? Its all rather ironic. As is having your book published by Random House/Penguin.

[blandy]

I would say the right and the left are exactly alike in that its all about look after people of the same political colouring and those they gain political advantage from. Oh and hypocrisy will always be the order of the day. 

 

And whatever the colour; the establishment looks after itself.

In politicians - yes. In others, no.

[PauloBarnesi]

 

 

and yet one of our most ardent left voters said in that very thread he voted for the party that looked after him and his family first

 

I know it's VT but your stereotypes don't work  ... even if you do cycle and hug trees

 

Ah, but you see, you've proved they do. By not using yourself as an example, you've implicitly consented to its accuracy and confirmed your taste for infant flesh.

 

now you mention it I am partial to jelly babies

 

 

So great he said it twice

[Jon]

 

 

 

 

Private Eye writes about Brand’s ex- Jemima Khan, and her acquisition of Kiddington Hall for £15million. Or rather she didn’t, a Cayman Islands company called Kidslane Ltd did. Of course Khan is the daughter of Sir Jimmy Goldsmith, a man who probably did not pay all of his tax. Eye understands that much of Revolution was written there. 

 

You couldn’t make it up.

I don't see a massive problem here, I have to say.

 

I had this debate with my rather right wing mother in law the other night.

 

Basically, I cannot see why a 'socialist', or a person espousing revolutionary ideas and ideals, has to live as a troll underneath a canal bridge, in order for their views to be worthy or genuine. Anthony Wedgewood Benn was born into a position/life of relative prosperity and privilege, and his left wing views hardened as he got older and had more experience of the capitalist and govenmental machine. I really don't understand why someone must be poor or live in squalor to hold ant-establishment views.

 

 

But to live a life that benefits from things you deride in public seems peculiar to me.

 

In what way?

 

He's no longer with Khan, and lives in an east london apartment. It isn't exactly Buckingham Palace.

 

 

So he didn’t benefit in any way from a house purchased in an elaborate scheme to avoid pay inheritance tax, set up by that great man of the people Jimmy Goldsmith?

 

Other than to spend some time in it, as his then girlfriend was staying there, no.

[PauloBarnesi]

What this world needs is people they can believe in whatever side of the political divide is. I just think Brand isn’t that kind of person.

[maqroll]

[Risso]

Other than to spend some time in it, as his then girlfriend was staying there, no.

He's quick to protest about the super-rich who have made their millions at the expense of others. One assumes though, that the chest-hair straightening clearing in the woods didn't organise pickets outside his girlfriend's house, the huge, massive hypocrite knob jockey.

[snowychap]

So is hypocrisy (something that I very much doubt anyone, anywhere, could deny having been guilty of) the crime 'du jour'?

Or is it just an easy target when trying to defend (or deflect) criticism(s) of problems with either the economic or political system (or both)?

Edited December 22, 2014 by snowychap