VillaCas Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The only stat that I care about is where we finish and that will be higher than last season. Someone even wanted a dream team of vialli and Zola in. Not a chance of finishing higher than last season. Absolute rubbish......could easily finish higher than last season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 considering this day last year we were in relegation zone id say we have slightly improved with an 18 goal GD swing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The only stat that I care about is where we finish and that will be higher than last season. Someone even wanted a dream team of vialli and Zola in. Not a chance of finishing higher than last season. Absolute rubbish......could easily finish higher than last season We could but only because there are more teams in the league that are worse than us....we have not progressed at all. In fact - there is a strong arguement that we have gone backwards. Thank McGrath that Fulham, Sunderland, Cardiff and West Ham are in a worse place than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 13 of those goals came from two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think he should be sacked for having the nerve to bring in an experienced striker who he has worked with before as cover on a short term loan deal.Good idea, we'll put experience and if we know them ahead of abilty. What could possibly go wrong?If I could bold on my phone, I'd be bolding 'short term' and 'cover'He's not very good regardless of how long he is on the pay roll. Let's look logically and rationally at the signing, while making a reasonable assumption that he's coming as cover. Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The only stat that I care about is where we finish and that will be higher than last season. Someone even wanted a dream team of vialli and Zola in. Not a chance of finishing higher than last season. Absolute rubbish......could easily finish higher than last season We could but only because there are more teams in the league that are worse than us....we have not progressed at all. In fact - there is a strong arguement that we have gone backwards. Thank McGrath that Fulham, Sunderland, Cardiff and West Ham are in a worse place than us. That's how leagues work - at the moment there are 9 teams we are better than 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think he should be sacked for having the nerve to bring in an experienced striker who he has worked with before as cover on a short term loan deal. Good idea, we'll put experience and if we know them ahead of abilty. What could possibly go wrong? If I could bold on my phone, I'd be bolding 'short term' and 'cover' He's not very good regardless of how long he is on the pay roll. Let's look logically and rationally at the signing, while making a reasonable assumption that he's coming as cover. Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? Bowery because I'm being stubbornly anti-Lambert. Wait, Lambert signed Bowery. Errr... Holt because he's only a loan signing which is better than permanent. Errr... LAMBERT OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If the rumours are to be believed I wonder what has happened to make Lambert start looking at players he knows from his time at Norwich. After all its hardly been his MO so far. Is he worried or only have a small amount of money and so has decided to stick with what he knows rather than gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? Like arguing Vanessa Feltz or Liz Jones. Pretty much neither and if you had to pick one its unlikely either will satisfy your needs better than the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Interesting as I was reflecting on something similar. It was interesting listening to the Gaffer, Graham of the Aston social delving in to his philosophical mode tonight after the game. after our lengthy debate, he said do you know, in the last 10 years the arguments being put forward now about how bad the Villa Team are in terms of their play, is exactly the same as it was all them years ago. despite all the changes..........nothing has changed. and more depressingly, nothing will, until we demand change. For ages now I have been pissed off with stats prior to matches against some teams where "XXXX team have taken more premier points off Villa than any other team" or "Villa have not won at home against XXXXX in XXXXX years" etc etc . Last night was another such where we have not beaten Arsenal at home since 1998. Disgrace. But this is a long term problem of us not competing at a certain level in years. We tried the short term fix with Oneill but it didnt work. What we need is a long term fix to our culture / philosophy / style / mentality / progression, call it what you like but in order to fix the issue where we see stats like that and that they stop for a consistent amount of time that needs a big change That change is not just a papering over the cracks change either. But that change will take some time, sorry and all but it does not get fixed in a year or two. And it does not get fixed if fans do not realise it needs fixing. If fans merely carry on think that all is well and just a tinkering change here or there, that we really are a club that should be in the top 6 as a right and struggle to come to terms with the realisation that we are not in the top 6 because as a club we have been heading down the short term fix route for so long that it really has affected our long term ability to achieve success. Where fans just think it takes a change of manager and then we'll be back in our rightful position without having to drastically alter some fundamentals at the club, well we'll never get better on that basis. That's why I support Lambert and will continue to 100% to the hilt (or holt) despite the short term immediate results. Despite the disappointments along the way. Because I believe in his vision, what he is doing and the fact that he needs doing. We need the changes highlighted above in order for our long term performances to improve on a consistent basis and not just the odd short term fix. /\ /\ Long term thinking /\ /\ Its a fair argument Richard but it still doesn't compensate for Lamberts poor tactics. Even last night he showed poor decision making in starting with KEA and then eventually sticking our best midfielder on the wing. /\ /\ Short term thinking /\ /\ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Got less points than mcleish had at this point in the season, out the cup unlike McLeish at this point and signing a player that sums up the style of play he wants to play. I'm seeing little evidence of what good is going to come from having Lambert in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Got less points than mcleish had at this point in the season, out the cup unlike McLeish at this point and signing a player that sums up the style of play he wants to play. I'm seeing little evidence of what good is going to come from having Lambert in charge. But do you want to see any evidence John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? Like arguing Vanessa Feltz or Liz Jones. Pretty much neither and if you had to pick one its unlikely either will satisfy your needs better than the other. Simple question, yet to be answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) The keywords long term and transition are the biggest myth Villa have had over the years. It's the words the club have used year after year to justify the rubbish performances and lack of spending. Edited January 14, 2014 by dudevillaisnice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Interesting as I was reflecting on something similar. It was interesting listening to the Gaffer, Graham of the Aston social delving in to his philosophical mode tonight after the game. after our lengthy debate, he said do you know, in the last 10 years the arguments being put forward now about how bad the Villa Team are in terms of their play, is exactly the same as it was all them years ago. despite all the changes..........nothing has changed. and more depressingly, nothing will, until we demand change. For ages now I have been pissed off with stats prior to matches against some teams where "XXXX team have taken more premier points off Villa than any other team" or "Villa have not won at home against XXXXX in XXXXX years" etc etc . Last night was another such where we have not beaten Arsenal at home since 1998. Disgrace. But this is a long term problem of us not competing at a certain level in years. We tried the short term fix with Oneill but it didnt work. What we need is a long term fix to our culture / philosophy / style / mentality / progression, call it what you like but in order to fix the issue where we see stats like that and that they stop for a consistent amount of time that needs a big change That change is not just a papering over the cracks change either. But that change will take some time, sorry and all but it does not get fixed in a year or two. And it does not get fixed if fans do not realise it needs fixing. If fans merely carry on think that all is well and just a tinkering change here or there, that we really are a club that should be in the top 6 as a right and struggle to come to terms with the realisation that we are not in the top 6 because as a club we have been heading down the short term fix route for so long that it really has affected our long term ability to achieve success. Where fans just think it takes a change of manager and then we'll be back in our rightful position without having to drastically alter some fundamentals at the club, well we'll never get better on that basis. That's why I support Lambert and will continue to 100% to the hilt (or holt) despite the short term immediate results. Despite the disappointments along the way. Because I believe in his vision, what he is doing and the fact that he needs doing. We need the changes highlighted above in order for our long term performances to improve on a consistent basis and not just the odd short term fix. /\ /\ Long term thinking /\ /\ Its a fair argument Richard but it still doesn't compensate for Lamberts poor tactics. Even last night he showed poor decision making in starting with KEA and then eventually sticking our best midfielder on the wing. /\ /\ Short term thinking /\ /\ Thanks for that incredible insight. Tell me, how has Lamberts poor tactics come to be placed in your well respected bracket of "short term thinking?" Edited January 14, 2014 by Houlston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? Like arguing Vanessa Feltz or Liz Jones. Pretty much neither and if you had to pick one its unlikely either will satisfy your needs better than the other. Simple question, yet to be answered. Bowery then, purely because he's fitter and quicker. Holt is a shadow of his average former self. Also Helenius would be a better option than both if we are to bring on an attacking player. Edited January 14, 2014 by Houlston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Got less points than mcleish had at this point in the season, out the cup unlike McLeish at this point and signing a player that sums up the style of play he wants to play. I'm seeing little evidence of what good is going to come from having Lambert in charge. But do you want to see any evidence John? No I want to cling on to my dream of paying hundreds of pounds to watch utter rubbish and average players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 No what I mean is, some people have their minds made up and wont change from that so comments like "I'm not seeing much evidence so far" etc are pretty pointless as the evidence wont change anything, they have their mind set Do you want to see or is your mind made up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Bowery or holt coming on with 20 mins to go? Like arguing Vanessa Feltz or Liz Jones. Pretty much neither and if you had to pick one its unlikely either will satisfy your needs better than the other. Simple question, yet to be answered. Has Holt suddenly become the only available striker in world football we can sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Risso Posted January 14, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2014 No what I mean is, some people have their minds made up and wont change from that so comments like "I'm not seeing much evidence so far" etc are pretty pointless as the evidence wont change anything, they have their mind set Do you want to see or is your mind made up? I'd love to see us playing good football with a squad of decent players, but the players Lambert has signed are mostly very poor, and the football is almost without exception, atrocious. I'd love to see some evidence, there just isn't any. Rumours of signing a fat, washed up has-been like Holt only add to the feeling that Lambert isn't doing a good job at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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