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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

Not quickly enough unfortunately.

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There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

Yeah imagine having an owner who hired Mcleish or made decisions that meant the club fought relegation for 3 consecutive seasons.

Those 80% wish they were as lucky as us.

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I've made my thoughts on Lerner clear, I don't need to keep making the same points. I'll put putting that energy into supporting the team even more.

 

BUT if it gets to next summer and I don't feel Lambert has been backed enough, I will again make my points. I want the manager to be backed because I want to keep him at this club, as well as the fact that we will win things under Lambert if he receives decent backing.

 

I'm even putting a positive signature in here now.

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Well yes Lerner has wasted millions on Villa by letting O'Neill buy shit, but that doesnt make him a great owner. It was his responsibility to create a structure at the  club with a world class scouting and recruitment system, and not letting a shouty northern irishman spend all of his dads money. I dont think Levy has given spurs lots of his own personal money, but he has been successful because he is a good businessman, and not a nice but bored philanthropist.

 A strange comparison.

Levy to Spurs is what Faulkner is to Villa.

Joe Lewis is Spurs' Randy Lerner, and he doesn't attend games either.

 

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of Spurs rather than Villa, so I am reluctant to pick up on this, but to describe Levy as equivalent to Faulkner and Lewis to Lerner is a gross oversimplification of the ownership and management structure at Spurs and therefore probably very misleading when trying to draw lessons for how well Lerner is running Villa. 

 

End of discussion (for my part at least) of Spurs in this thread.

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Well yes Lerner has wasted millions on Villa by letting O'Neill buy shit, but that doesnt make him a great owner. It was his responsibility to create a structure at the  club with a world class scouting and recruitment system, and not letting a shouty northern irishman spend all of his dads money. I dont think Levy has given spurs lots of his own personal money, but he has been successful because he is a good businessman, and not a nice but bored philanthropist.

 A strange comparison.

Levy to Spurs is what Faulkner is to Villa.

Joe Lewis is Spurs' Randy Lerner, and he doesn't attend games either.

 

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of Spurs rather than Villa, so I am reluctant to pick up on this, but to describe Levy as equivalent to Faulkner and Lewis to Lerner is a gross oversimplification of the ownership and management structure at Spurs and therefore probably very misleading when trying to draw lessons for how well Lerner is running Villa. 

 

End of discussion (for my part at least) of Spurs in this thread.

 

It was in response to the poster who seemed to think that Levy is the owner of Spurs and has put money in-he isn't and he hasn't.

Therefore the 'equivalent' comparisons are perfectly accurate.

Nothing was intended to 'draw lessons', although it is interesting that 6 years ago the feeling of some Spurs' supporters towards Levy and Lewis was similar to the feelings some Villa supporters now have for Faulkner and Lerner.

 

You never know, perhaps it will all change again. :)

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In the main I'm quite comfortable with the way that Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert are running the club. Of course I can pick holes here and there, in all three, but that's normal. I would hope that if we can have a couple of stable 8-12th finishes over the next two seasons then, with the books balanced, he might give us a bit of a push again - we'll see.

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I was deliberating where I should put this, it's probably nothing, but while on a small heath board a few days ago, it seemed that one of the posters had gotten himself a bit of an 'ITK' status from having the inside scoop, on the Paladini guy appearing on the radio before anyone else knew, well I just thought it might be interesting to some what he had to say regarding Villa in (warning links to a small heath site)  this thread here.

 

I realise some don't like the silly rumours, but Ah salute.

 

 

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their is a redbull thread ;)

 

Dont think it would happen but I couldnt support the club if owned by Red Bull and all the team colours, name and stadium was changed even if we won the league every season

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

So you didnt think we might have got 4th when we were 2 nil up v stoke with minutes to go? Or when we won 7 away wins in a row? That was the season but for a variety of reasons we blew it, and haven't looked like doing it ever since.

As for Levy, ok he is not the majority share owner of spurs, but he owns nearly  25% of it. I would say that would make him more important than Faulkner, and he is the boss man at spurs.  When Ellis was at Villa he did not own 100% of the club but was the chairman and  chief exec.  Levy hasnt put his own money into spurs as they have struck it lucky with player purchases and the club being in London.

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

So you didnt think we might have got 4th when we were 2 nil up v stoke with minutes to go? Or when we won 7 away wins in a row? That was the season but for a variety of reasons we blew it, and haven't looked like doing it ever since.

As for Levy, ok he is not the majority share owner of spurs, but he owns nearly  25% of it. I would say that would make him more important than Faulkner, and he is the boss man at spurs.  When Ellis was at Villa he did not own 100% of the club but was the chairman and  chief exec.  Levy hasnt put his own money into spurs as they have struck it lucky with player purchases and the club being in London.

 

 

though we still finished 10 points behind Arsenal that season though I dont blame Randy for us not getting 4th that season or throwing the UEFA Cup

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their is a redbull thread ;)

 

Dont think it would happen but I couldnt support the club if owned by Red Bull and all the team colours, name and stadium was changed even if we won the league every season

 

I don't think you have any worries regarding Red Bull, Houllier came out the other day and said that the story about them wanting a  Premeir team was false. Reading his second post on the subject, in reply to someone asking if he was joking it seems like he heard something and presumed it be might have something to do with Red Bull out of wishful thinking, so that he might laugh at us.

 

I would just copy and paste the comment but not sure if allowed, by copywrite laws.

 

I'm no expert but I doubt anything would go down until the season closes.

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I am probably going to upset some people but here goes. I am 51 and supported the club for over 40 years and in that time I have seen us play in the old 3rd Division, win the league, the league cup and the big one and if Lerner stays I doubt very much if I will see us play in Europe in the next 5 years and will never see our club challenge for the big trophies because the game is all about money we haven't got.

If you had asked me a few years ago about wealthy owners and success I would say I am proud of how we won the league and European cup. Now I say bring it on, if having Red Bull buy the club means we get to see the team challenge for the big trophies again then great. Unfortunately history and heritage don't count for much and neither does being the biggest club in the Midlands when the press don't look further than London, Manchester or Liverpool.

To those who think it would be bad I know where you are coming from but I really do think Lerner will eventually cost us our premiership status, new owners just might get us back amongst the big boys.

For anyone who thinks rampant commercialism isn't coming to our game I think you might be dissapointed and in that case get in early.......

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

So you didnt think we might have got 4th when we were 2 nil up v stoke with minutes to go? Or when we won 7 away wins in a row? 

 

No I didnt. We were incredibly lucky in some of those wins. Hull away and West Ham away spring to mind. We also has a terrible run of fixtures also around the corner. Our luck ran out with spectacular consequences. Just like 98-99 and 06-07 we went from flying high to relegation fodder in the space of a couple of weeks.

 

Even if we had of made CL, we would probably have lost in the qualifiers like Everton or Newcastle. And do you really think we would have sustained it? Spurs only lasted one season and they have much better organisation and financial power than we do. 

 

Some Villa fans look back on 08-09 like it was some huge opportunity missed but it was no such thing. It would have changed nothing.

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

So you didnt think we might have got 4th when we were 2 nil up v stoke with minutes to go? Or when we won 7 away wins in a row? 

 

No I didnt. We were incredibly lucky in some of those wins. Hull away and West Ham away spring to mind. We also has a terrible run of fixtures also around the corner. Our luck ran out with spectacular consequences. Just like 98-99 and 06-07 we went from flying high to relegation fodder in the space of a couple of weeks.

 

Even if we had of made CL, we would probably have lost in the qualifiers like Everton or Newcastle. And do you really think we would have sustained it? Spurs only lasted one season and they have much better organisation and financial power than we do. 

 

Some Villa fans look back on 08-09 like it was some huge opportunity missed but it was no such thing. It would have changed nothing.

 

i think that is what separates us from Spurs fans. Due to so many near misses we are always convinced we will f**k up the chance to make it, whereas Spurs somehow have this feeling that they belong at the top and are always title challenges. Even though they last won it 50 years ago. Glass half empty fans I think.

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

 

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

 

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

 

Yes totally agree, I think we supporters have unrealistic expectations and its not our personal wealth we are pissing away. I believe football clubs should manage within their means and the way were under Oneill with a higher wage bill than clubs like Tottenham was unsustainable.

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Does anyone really care? I mean REALLY actually care?

This revisionism that we were really close to "making the next level" but for a few more millions under MON is ludicrous. Lerner quickly realised that he was pissing money away and that 80 odd million only took you up to 6th where there was no profit returns whatsoever. People need to accept that the best we are going to get is 6th and that a cup win is a the mecca. At this moment I am happy to avoid relegation and have the occasional great victory. If that sounds unambitious then so be it. But I've been a Villa fan for 20 years and I've never known it to be any different during that time.

Our chairman puts money in, isnt going to make us bankrupt, and keeps his mouth shut and out of the limelight. There is no way I would risk losing him for some clown like 80% of clubs have.

Yes totally agree, I think we supporters have unrealistic expectations and its not our personal wealth we are pissing away. I believe football clubs should manage within their means and the way were under Oneill with a higher wage bill than clubs like Tottenham was unsustainable.

I still can't believe the shit I read on here at times.

We've had 3 consecutive relegation battles and you're happy with the owner and complaining fans have unrealistic expectations. Did you feel this way when people wanted Doug gone?

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