Genie Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Probably been mentioned further back (sorry can't be bothered to check) but he kicked up enough of a stink to get out of Genk in the first place, why should we be surprised? I know. I'm sure when he arrived he said something along the lines of he hopes to move from Villa to a really big side. No surprise really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Spurs have just splashed £17m on Paulinho so I reckon they'll seriously struggle to meet the £30m valuation that is being touted. A further thought is that our valuation may mean nothing if several teams come in and start a bidding war which for a player of Benteke's ability is not unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Probably been mentioned further back (sorry can't be bothered to check) but he kicked up enough of a stink to get out of Genk in the first place, why should we be surprised? Can't quite be sure but did he refuse to train at Genk, or something like that? I guess Spurs think that they can pay their price (20 million or less) because we won't want an unhappy player on our hands if we refuse to sell him. However, I think others on here are right when they say that he will have to play well for us if he stays because otherwise he won't be playing in Brazil next year, and a lot can happen to a player between World Cups that may prevent them playing in the next one! - we must come out on top, simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The problem is Woody, this 25million your talking about doesn't exist, Spurs want to pay between 15 and 20million max. Do we then accept that? Considering we shelled out around 8million, paid his wages for a year, then owe Genk a sell-on fee. It's not as easy as saying just take 25million, because at the moment no-one wants to pay anywhere near that. I keep hearing this crap If Spurs do not have the 25 mill they do not get the player we are not a charity According to a villa insider in the sun we actually value him at 30 mill so we will certainly not be going lower than 25 mill I agree with you, but its this lets just accept, why should we. Did Levy accept a bid for Modric, this man requested 7million for Alan Hutton to begin with. He requested 6-7million for Kyle Naughton, now we should roll over and say let him go. He can leave but only on our terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 There's plenty of Benteke's out there. We just gotta find them. And who found him and took a chance on him in the first place? Paul Lambert. You can bet he's already got a replacement lined up if Benteke leaves. If he does leave, Villa will get what they wanted out of him valuation wise. If not, he has to play well as it's the season before the World Cup. Win/Win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I definitely agree that £28m should be considered if we're asking for £30m and I'm sure it would be. I guess it all depends on whether or not Lambert really wants him here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 When spurs offer 18 mill we should make a counter offer and ask if they want Darren Bent instead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Well there's a surprise. I bet you're a real laugh in social situations woody. So my whole social appearance is in question because I find it a disgrace that John Carew openly admits he ripped off the people paying his wages? I assume you go into work every day and give 100%, full throttle all the way. You never take sick days, you never turn up with a hangover... Yes, i love my job. If the job you have on offer is one I will love, I guarantee you I will be the same. I have also genuinely never taken a sick day. I dont give a 100% when I am in a job I don't love. Hence why I don't believe Carew loves Villa as much as he makes out on twitter. On the money front, I get paid an embarrassingly low wage for what i do, but thats the industry i work in tbh. Now I appreciate your point regarding difference in wages, but Im not so sure your experiment has taken you to paying people £65,000 a week for a couple of hours work per day? I think you can appreciate that it should be much easier for footballers to give 100% for the full time they are at work as oppose to the everyday man. Anyway, this is taking us away from Benteke. Id be quite interested in your response so PM me if you have one. (Not expecting a job offer btw ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - win, win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - win, win. He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - We don't have any money to replace him - lose, lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 On the Benteke thing then I think that Villa need to decide what price they think he's worth. If it's truly £25m, if they think he'll be worth than that next year, and will add a lot to the side in the mean-time then they should hang on to him. Personally having watched him a few times I wouldn't value him anywhere near that highly, and I'd be surprised if other clubs do either, I stopped here. Me too. Pity because the next part was a rather important - 'but that's not the point'. TJ, other than your personal valuation of CB, your post seemed well considered. As someone who has been watching top level football live in England for over 25 years and also saw virtually every minute of Benteke's play last season, I can assure you he is worth every penny of £25m. He had the occasional 'off-day' but for the rest of the time much of his play was outstanding. Even if the end product wasn't a goal, much of what he attempted came off and this was in a terrible team for the first two thirds of the season. I genuinely hope no club values Benteke above £20m whilst he's a Villa player. That will send him a message about which club values him most and he'll be with us for another 2 seasons. If he still wants out then we'll get £15m to £20m with one year left, as we did with Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 The problem is Woody, this 25million your talking about doesn't exist, Spurs want to pay between 15 and 20million max. Do we then accept that? Considering we shelled out around 8million, paid his wages for a year, then owe Genk a sell-on fee. It's not as easy as saying just take 25million, because at the moment no-one wants to pay anywhere near that. It all depends on the actual valuation. If it is 25m then yes accept the 20m (should that be the best offer). 30m valuation then no way accept the 20m. I dont remember us ever benefiting on the pitch from these long drawn out affairs. Barry had a solid season before his move and was crucial in us nearly breaking Top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - win, win. He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - We don't have any money to replace him - lose, lose. Not really Tom. If Lerner wants to bring in another striker he can. Would Lerner jeopardise our whole season by not spending £5-7m on a striker? I doubt it. We've left players on the bench/ in the reserves that cost more than Benteke before, and I'm sure we'd do it again if we needed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw_nuff Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - win, win. He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - We don't have any money to replace him - lose, lose. He won't strike. He'd have to be the bigest idiot on earth to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Best Article I've read. http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8816393/Dominating-Benteke-Worth-Every-Penny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hope Spurs dont match our valuation... Hope he stays with us for a year and plays a blinder hoping the big clubs come a calling and he breaks Withes record and pretty much making him dead cert for the Belgium number 9 shirt for the WC... and then he ruptures his cruciate and screws his career on the last game of the season by sneezing and wrapping his knee around the goalpost .... We lost one amazing Belgian striker due to a tragic injury... Not like it isn't anything new! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Villa hold all the aces. If an offer in excess of £30m does not come in then he stays and either plays well (to enhance his chances of playing in the World Cup) or he rots in the reserves and doesn't go to the World Cup. Benteke has been a complete fool by putting in a transfer request this year. If he did it next year I could understand his logic but to do it now shows what an incredibly thick idiot he is. I hope all this blows up in his stupid face and he is made to look like the cretin he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Well there's a surprise. I bet you're a real laugh in social situations woody. So my whole social appearance is in question because I find it a disgrace that John Carew openly admits he ripped off the people paying his wages? I assume you go into work every day and give 100%, full throttle all the way. You never take sick days, you never turn up with a hangover... Yes, i love my job. If the job you have on offer is one I will love, I guarantee you I will be the same. I have also genuinely never taken a sick day. I dont give a 100% when I am in a job I don't love. Hence why I don't believe Carew loves Villa as much as he makes out on twitter. On the money front, I get paid an embarrassingly low wage for what i do, but thats the industry i work in tbh. Now I appreciate your point regarding difference in wages, but Im not so sure your experiment has taken you to paying people £65,000 a week for a couple of hours work per day? I think you can appreciate that it should be much easier for footballers to give 100% for the full time they are at work as oppose to the everyday man. Anyway, this is taking us away from Benteke. Id be quite interested in your response so PM me if you have one. (Not expecting a job offer btw ) Just wanted to chuck my 2 cents in, it's clearly evident Carew loves Villa. He's got nothing to do with the club, or football I think (he's turned to acting and poker it seems like) but still looks out for Villa news, and interacts with Villa fans the most on twitter. Now Carew is a striker, and where ever he has gone, he's scored goals, I'd say, effort-wise, he's probably been the exact same as Darren Bent in terms of chasing back, doing more 'team work' etc. He's paid to score goals, and we can't say he didn't do his job well because he scored goals, vital goals, when he played for us. OK, he went missing in games and his personal life shenanigans were evident, but we knew that when MON bought him. He was bought to score goals and he did just that. IMO I don't think you can say he's ripped the people who payed his wages off at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If Benteke wants to go on strike and refuse to train in a world cup year at least he can watch it on TV like the rest of us He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - win, win. He strikes, Villa don't pay his wages either - We don't have any money to replace him - lose, lose. He won't strike. He'd have to be the bigest idiot on earth to do that. how do you think he got a transfer to Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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