bannedfromHandV Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The players that have left didn't really offer us much in playing time if we look at the likes of Dunne, Marshall, Dawkins. Only Holman and Lichaj were part of first team set up last season. If Ireland leaves, he didn't even feature in the latter part, Hutton leaves same, Bent leaves his replacement is Helenius. If you think Given, Ireland, Bent and Hutton probably command around 200k, now I'm not brilliant at Maths, but between them they played how many games, I'd say 20 max including cup games. Too true, it's called Math Sorry What about Dzagoev from CSKA Moscow. Exciting talent but has fallen off the radar a bit after staring for Russia in the Euro's Would defo take if motivated to join for the right reasons, could be an Arshavin waiting to happen though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What about Dzagoev from CSKA Moscow. Exciting talent but has fallen off the radar a bit after staring for Russia in the Euro's Would defo take if motivated to join for the right reasons, could be an Arshavin waiting to happen though True although i think it a bit harsh to compare him to Arshavin (personality wise) just because they are both Russian and play n the same position. Hopefully he would be eager to prove himself in the Prem and secure himself a spot in Russia's WC squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) Yes i know that but several players have also left which again substantiates my point. Bent, Given and Ireland combined are probably on a combined 170k+. I don't think Lerner would have a problem with the wage bill if we were getting value for money but we're clearly not with those 3 still here. With Bent it's a case of the manager just not playing him so it would be impossible for Bent to give us value for money. Its the same with Given. Given is still good enough to be a Premiership keeper but its the manager's decision not to play him and again it would therefore be impossible for Given to give us value for money. Ireland has been a total waste of space and i would agree he has not and never will give value for money. In those circumstances however all three need to be moved on and in the case of Bent and Given that should not be too much of a problem as both players want to play rather than happily taking a wage while benched so it should not affect our transfer policy too much. Of the players remaining who we do want rid off is there going to be much difficulty in moving Bent and Given before the end of the window? The only major difficulty i see is in moving Ireland but should that determine our transfer activity? This is all speculation on our part because we don't know whether transfers are tied to departures. We're just assuming it. But assuming we're right for the purposes of discussion, it is my view that guessing whether there will be difficulty shifting Bent and Given is not a tactic they are willing to employ. They don't want to gamble on it because they've gambled like that for long enough. It's not whether there'll be difficulty or not. It's whether they go or not. We've had too high a wage bill for long enough and it has to come down. It has been coming down consistently and it's probably almost at the level it needs to be at, with a few more departures. He's not against paying high wages but they have to be on important players like Gabby or Benteke rather than on the bench warmers. I'm sorry but it was a major question for me this window in how the chairman was going to invest in the club and i am disappointed to see that for the moment we do seem to be still exercising a sell to buy policy even with several players off the wage bill. I have trouble accepting such a definitive judgement given the level of activity we've seen and the fact that we're still nearly a full week from the start of July. Referring to the highlighted text in your post above BOF i can see your point and the point of the club but is it really much of a gamble to expect Bent and Given gone by the end of the window? You will also note the highlighted text in my post and it does seem that a sell to buy policy is being exercised at the moment but of course that could change and i would certainly welcome that. Edited June 25, 2013 by Morpheus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillz Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Also Transfers To Be @TransfersToBe 1h Another player rejoining a former club, Thomas Hitzlsperger is in talks with Aston Villa about rejoining the club in a coaching role #AVFC Interesting even if bollocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Also Transfers To Be @TransfersToBe1h Another player rejoining a former club, Thomas Hitzlsperger is in talks with Aston Villa about rejoining the club in a coaching role #AVFC Interesting even if bollocks[/quote We appointed Stan a month ago and 3 new coaches today. Therefore, I can't see this being true at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ginko Posted June 25, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) True, we probably have to ship some of the deadwood from the coaching staff before we can bring any others in. Edited June 25, 2013 by Ginko 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Oh Ginko, my simple "like" is frankly inadequate in articulating my appreciation of your post. Played, sir. Played. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Oh Ginko, my simple "like" is frankly inadequate in articulating my appreciation of your post. Played, sir. Played. i wholeheartedly concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8pints Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Oh Ginko, my simple "like" is frankly inadequate in articulating my appreciation of your post. Played, sir. Played. i wholeheartedly concur Mine is adequate. It was alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The players that have left didn't really offer us much in playing time if we look at the likes of Dunne, Marshall, Dawkins. Only Holman and Lichaj were part of first team set up last season. If Ireland leaves, he didn't even feature in the latter part, Hutton leaves same, Bent leaves his replacement is Helenius. If you think Given, Ireland, Bent and Hutton probably command around 200k, now I'm not brilliant at Maths, but between them they played how many games, I'd say 20 max including cup games. Too true, it's called Math Sorry I thought it was Math if you're American and Maths if you're British/Colonial?? (Being short for Mathematics an' all). Or am I missing some other point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 The players that have left didn't really offer us much in playing time if we look at the likes of Dunne, Marshall, Dawkins. Only Holman and Lichaj were part of first team set up last season. If Ireland leaves, he didn't even feature in the latter part, Hutton leaves same, Bent leaves his replacement is Helenius. If you think Given, Ireland, Bent and Hutton probably command around 200k, now I'm not brilliant at Maths, but between them they played how many games, I'd say 20 max including cup games. Too true, it's called Math Sorry I thought it was Math if you're American and Maths if you're British/Colonial?? (Being short for Mathematics an' all). Or am I missing some other point? Yeah, it is maths. Banned from H&V has been whacked over the head with a baseball bat. Also, there is no need for the capitalisation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Thought I'd throw up a couple of names that would seemingly fit the "profile" (such as there is) of obscure players we could look at for the creative midfielder role. All from "lesser" European leagues and all U-21 internationals with their respective countries...Robert ŽuljDomagoj AntolićMislav OršićPetros Mantalos Great stuff Gareth. I'd seen Zulj and Orsic before. I'll have to look in to these other two you mention, very interesting. What about zilly malingi zimbu who plays for tim buk 2. 27 goals, 12 assists in the kenyan league. Plays as a no10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Oh Ginko, my simple "like" is frankly inadequate in articulating my appreciation of your post. Played, sir. Played. i wholeheartedly concur Mine is adequate. It was alright. Gareth, Richard, I thank you. 8pints, I bet 2quartz loved it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Thought I'd throw up a couple of names that would seemingly fit the "profile" (such as there is) of obscure players we could look at for the creative midfielder role. All from "lesser" European leagues and all U-21 internationals with their respective countries... Robert Žulj Domagoj Antolić Mislav Oršić Petros Mantalos "Coming soon to a Twitter ITK near you!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What is an ITK? I think I once read "in the knowledge"... Does that mean someone who has personal connections to the club? (eg. a friend who works at the ground) Sry....Swiss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What is an ITK? I think I once read "in the knowledge"... Does that mean someone who has personal connections to the club? (eg. a friend who works at the ground) Sry....Swiss I could pick holes in your post all day.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What is an ITK? I think I once read "in the knowledge"... Does that mean someone who has personal connections to the club? (eg. a friend who works at the ground) Sry....Swiss Close..."In the know" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Thought I'd throw up a couple of names that would seemingly fit the "profile" (such as there is) of obscure players we could look at for the creative midfielder role. All from "lesser" European leagues and all U-21 internationals with their respective countries... Robert Žulj Domagoj Antolić Mislav Oršić Petros Mantalos Great stuff Gareth. I'd seen Zulj and Orsic before. I'll have to look in to these other two you mention, very interesting. If Gareth and Wes were to have a child, surely he would be some kind of super scout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marley the Bognor Villan Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What is an ITK? I think I once read "in the knowledge"... Does that mean someone who has personal connections to the club? (eg. a friend who works at the ground) Sry....Swiss Close..."In the know" With "know" being short for "knowledge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banger75 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Tom Rogic from Celtic would be a great buy for us...young, No.10.....and an Aussie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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