KSV Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 He looked depressed when they showed him. Sinking ship feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I think Lerner's problem is - without being racist so no arsey comments please - his nationality. He seems to have thought that the match day experience thing is key to someone enjoying football. It is if the match day involves not seeing your team lose! I'd rather look at shitty walls and see winning footie than have fancy decoration and see my team played off the park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted October 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted October 19, 2014 Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. I don't mind poor decisions - so long as you learn from them. Signing Lambert to another few years shows he hasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 At least he's watching us regularly again...so can see how badly we are with his own eyes. But the knee jerk Lambert contract extension makes it all meaningless now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 Thank you Randy for coming to see us lose 3-0 again. You really are consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 We need another 50m please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) We need another 50m please With someone on the end of it that can buy the players that can improve the quality of our play, that may subsequently improve our performances. The 50mill is just the first fence on a race course Edited October 19, 2014 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted October 19, 2014 Share Posted October 19, 2014 I think Lerner's problem is - without being racist so no arsey comments please - his nationality. He seems to have thought that the match day experience thing is key to someone enjoying football. It is if the match day involves not seeing your team lose! I'd rather look at shitty walls and see winning footie than have fancy decoration and see my team played off the park. His nationality has got **** all to do with it - naivety doesn't adhere to national boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Giving Lambert a new 4-year contract is right up there with Newcastle giving Pardew an 8-year contract. In fact it's probably even worse as Pardew had at least at the time he was given the contract done something to deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Giving Lambert a new 4-year contract is right up there with Newcastle giving Pardew an 8-year contract. In fact it's probably even worse as Pardew had at least at the time he was given the contract done something to deserve it. I've never understood Lerner, Saying that I don't think he understands himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 20, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 He looked depressed when they showed him. Sinking ship feeling. And I hope he feels the pain of guilt at what he's done to the club over the last 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Such as? Managing results and performances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Such as? Managing the results and performances of the football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Both HDE and RL have a decent record of appointing unsuccessful managers... ...but the main difference between the two, was/is Randy is financially stronger to ignore the fans...Doug could'nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Both HDE and RL have a decent record of appointing unsuccessful managers... ...but the main difference between the two, was/is Randy is financially stronger to ignore the fans...Doug could'nt. Randy couldn't give a flying f#ck. That's the real difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Both HDE and RL have a decent record of appointing unsuccessful managers... ...but the main difference between the two, was/is Randy is financially stronger to ignore the fans...Doug could'nt.Randy couldn't give a flying f#ck. That's the real difference. Oh I think he does....but prefers to let things work themselves out rather than manage them....he seems a procrastinator rather than a driver....not defending that bye he way. Don't get wrong...he ain't great,But how many owners can keep funding poor signings or players that we appear to get little from. He chooses the managers and that's the bit I am opposed to him for....but he has had some dough wasted for him. I think he is kinda caught in the headlights....because there are clearly clubs that have made a better fist of their funding than us.....and that is not necessarily down to him. Edited October 20, 2014 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted October 20, 2014 Moderator Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Such as? Managing the results and performances of the football team. Only nobody blames him for those things as far as I can see. What they blame him for and are entirely right to do so is the conditions under which the results and performances have come and for the appointments he has made. Big difference between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I agree with that......but disagree with your jaundiced view on him in general .....and that is not saying he is blameless, but think the view is a tad singular. Not at all, I've given him credit when and where it is due but generally speaking I think he has been a poor owner, made poor decisions and made a mess of his time at the club. I'm sure he is a good guy but good owner? He is a very very long way from that. For me .....it's the selection of managers which I will join in with you, but my point is he does get the blame for some things that would be better targeted at his subordinates. Such as? Managing the results and performances of the football team. Only nobody blames him for those things as far as I can see. What they blame him for and are entirely right to do so is the conditions under which the results and performances have come and for the appointments he has made. Big difference between the two. Could you possibly explain what conditions you refer too, as the only ones I can think of is unconditionally funding poor players until we eventually by way of trial an error get it right. Sounds like I'm defending him ,but I'm not....I just don' t think that the restricted funds need to be as damaging as you allude to...Sanchez, Vlaar,and Okore are all very similar priced....2 are not in the team,and seem unlikely to be imminently and one is one of our best players....is that funds or talent spotting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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