StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Devil's advocate. Players go in at HT to a chorus of boos and resolve to make sure it's not the same at FT. Fans played their part in ensuring a better 2nd half. Retort, the players aren't stupid. They know that they haven't played well and will need a confidence boost, not a kick in the teeth from tens of thousands of people. It's possible that, psychologically, a polite round of applause at HT might've made them think everyone was content with more of the same. Plus, the fact they're not stupid could equally mean the boos are not in fact counter-productive. I doubt they're that dense. How so? Having thousands of people criticise me when I'm not playing well wouldn't spur me on. It would do the opposite. And I doubt I'm unique in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Sat fairly central in the Holte End I heard a bit of booing. I say 'a bit' because I could have made as much noise on my own. Putting aside the slightly dissatisfied mutterers (I don't class them as booers), I'd be surprised if there were more than a couple of dozen actually booing. When I turned to looked back up the Holte, I could see hundreds of faces, none of them booing. I guess it's a sound that caries well. At less than 0.1% of the attendence, it is annoying that such a low proportion of the crowd can grab some headlines as it feels like focusing on the number of Monster Raving Loony Party votes after a general election result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 10, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2013 The fans' only way to tell the players to sort themselves out is to boo. Devil's advocate was suggesting that yesterday it might've worked. You don't do your day job in front of 40,000 people. They do, so I'm sure they're able to not only deal with booing but also to use it to their advantage as motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Not to take this too academic, but this is the basic argument on whether it is more effective to punish bad behavior or incentivize good. Studies suggest it is much better to incentivize good. If there is no good to praise, however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 10, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2013 Not to take this too academic, but this is the basic argument on whether it is more effective to punish bad behavior or incentivize good. Studies suggest it is much better to incentivize good. If there is no good to praise, however...Exactly. All they're doing is airing frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 No wonder our home form is so terrible. Funny how this was never an excuse for our poor home form under McLeish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaRoy Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I don't get how anybody can defend booing at HT. Especially when you're not even losing. We were very poor in the first half, easily second best against a poor side, a team who have looked dreadful on the road this season. Also, the fact fans had sat through 7+ hours without a goal, doesn't help. If I pay and others pay, we can voice are dissatisfaction when we are not happy. It's not always counter-productive, as I thought we were much better in the second half. A kick up the backsides from the fans and manager can help sometimes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 10, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2013 What I would say is there is a big difference between letting the team know that the half you've just watched isn't good enough and of picking on an individual player for booing during a game. I would never condone that because as Stefan says, that would not motivate him. If anything you cripple the player and make him afraid to go near the ball. But the collective? And only at half time? Nowt wrong with that and the result bears that out. Whether or not the fans did have an effect. The fact is their booing did not negatively impact the outcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 I'm not going to slate anyone for booing, though I personally have no taste for it. I'm just not a big fan of moaners in general. But Cardiff could have played another game and wouldn't have scored. Kozak was closer to scoring than any other Cardiff players, so I think all talk of us being second best is wrong. Not at our best, but we picked it up with a thread bare squad. We don't really have the type of team that can sustain a lot of injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Or maybe the crowd doesn't make that big of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 What about the cheering when KEA came off? It's just all a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 All teams do it. That doesn't mean it's right, but it's not something unique to VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 10, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2013 What about the cheering when KEA came off? It's just all a bit silly.That's different and I don't condone that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Interesting how relatively quiet this thread has been almost a full day since our game 95 posts since the final whistle yesterday. How much "noise" do you think would be about right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 What about the cheering when KEA came off? It's just all a bit silly. That's different and I don't condone that at all. I know, I was just moving the debate forward because it could have easily become stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 10, 2013 Moderator Share Posted November 10, 2013 Fair enough. I was only ever interested in the effect of the half time stuff specifically. I don't agree with pretty much any other kind of booing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 PL would do well to remember the excellent support he received after some horrendous home results last season, PL'S claret and blue army being sung at 0-4 down to Spurs anyone? The first half was very poor and it follows previously losing 4/5 at home, some of those games when we haven't been booed off at half time despite losing. Lambert is wrong on this one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praisedmambo Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) PL would do well to remember the excellent support he received after some horrendous home results last season, PL'S claret and blue army being sung at 0-4 down to Spurs anyone? The first half was very poor and it follows previously losing 4/5 at home, some of those games when we haven't been booed off at half time despite losing. Lambert is wrong on this one for me. All he said was there was some frustration, didn't he? He didn't even complain, he just pointed it out. He described the event. edit...the complaints come from villatalk. Edited November 10, 2013 by praisedmambo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Interesting how relatively quiet this thread has been almost a full day since our game 95 posts since the final whistle yesterday. How much "noise" do you think would be about right? Well for comparison, there were around 200 in the same timeframe after a boring 0-0 draw last week. Easier to discuss the negatives I guess *shrug*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 If the team is playing far from their potential, or if they're doing a bad job. I don't see anything wrong with letting them know at half time. Let them know, and support them fully when they enter the Pitch again for second half. You know those people who turn up for an audition at American Idol and signs horribly, who themselves believe they're doing a great job. Because they used to get pats on their back and a "You're signing great, son! Allways supporting the team might do them a dissfavour. Booing during the match or targeting a single player is something I'm completley against though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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