smetrov Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Give a quick run out - until the match is beyond hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Screw near-fit, I'd happily play Vlaar's corpse in the back line at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2013 id prefer a one legged Vlaar to a fully fit Clark That can be taken either way. It can be taken that you want him playing tomorrow or it can be taken that you want him fit for the remainder of the season so you don't want him risked tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 i think he will play,the defence need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I think we can win tomorrow, what with Guzan, Westwood, Gabby and the Zog all out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Clark is increasingly looking like a poor player, I can't wait for Vlaar to come back, he should start with Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Clark is increasingly looking like a poor player, I can't wait for Vlaar to come back, he should start with Baker. They really shouldnt be judge on the last few weeks. Both of them were ready to step in next to an experienced head, they need that. Together they play like the players they are, young talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeah Clark and Baker are both talented but not together. A bit like Cahill and Ridgewell. Except Cahill was really really good and Ridgewell was piss poor to average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hopefully Vlaar in tomorrow and then Dunne follows suit quickly within a week or so, although he admittedly could take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Yeah Clark and Baker are both talented but not together. A bit like Cahill and Ridgewell. Except Cahill was really really good and Ridgewell was piss poor to average. if im honest Ridgewell has been a better defender for Villa than Clark was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 if im honest Ridgewell has been a better defender for Villa than Clark was Was thinking that this morning. I think Baker has potential, but not Clark. He should be kept as a useful squad player, but no more than that. Clark as captain makes us look pretty amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 They really shouldnt be judge on the last few weeks. Both of them were ready to step in next to an experienced head, they need that. Together they play like the players they are, young talents. Nope they absolutely should be judged on the last few weeks. Pretty much all of them have shown that they lack the fight and the balls to perform and to step up to the plate when their backs are against the wall. If you can't judge them when things are going badly then when should you? When things are going just great? No that's not what football is about at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Nope they absolutely should be judged on the last few weeks. Pretty much all of them have shown that they lack the fight and the balls to perform and to step up to the plate when their backs are against the wall. If you can't judge them when things are going badly then when should you? When things are going just great? No that's not what football is about at this level. When they are alone with not one senior head around them?? even ridgewell didn't have that, and for the record he was wank compared to these two. Only developed his game when he left villa, and played with....you guessed it more experienced players. What you are doing is throwing a junior heavyweight in with tyson watching him get knocked out and saying he'll never make it. Anger clouding judgement again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 When they are alone with not one senior head around them?? even ridgewell didn't have that, and for the record he was wank compared to these two. Only developed his game when he left villa, and played with....you guessed it more experienced players. What you are doing is throwing a junior heavyweight in with tyson watching him get knocked out and saying he'll never make it. Anger clouding judgement again. No it's an acid test that many of them are failing. None of them are super young in footballing years and have had some decent experience of first team football over the last couple of seasons. Also Tyson is an hilarious analogy given he became a world heavyweight champion at the age of of 20 (the youngest in history), they certainly didn't hold him back. If you're good enough, you're old enough. A lot of our lads just aren't made of the strong stuff, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2013 if im honest Ridgewell has been a better defender for Villa than Clark was Yes, because Ridgewell's team-mate tended to be Olof Mellberg whereas Clark has been alongside either fellow-youth graduate Baker, or finding-his-feet import Ron Vlaar. Not a fair comparison at this moment in time. That also ignores that Ridgewell's other team-mates were more experienced too. Every criticism of every player this season has to be made in the context of the overall team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 No it's an acid test that many of them are failing. None of them are super young in footballing years and have had some decent experience of first team football over the last couple of seasons. Also Tyson is an hilarious analogy given he became a world heavyweight champion at the age of of 20 (the youngest in history), they certainly didn't hold him back. If you're good enough, you're old enough. A lot of our lads just aren't made of the strong stuff, clearly. haha fair point (tyson) but you get what I mean. I just think they've been well and truely dropped in the deep end, and I dont think it's happened in the prem before to the extent that we are doing it. A few senior heads around the place would make a world of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Thought Vlaar was awful last time we played Southampton. Hope he has a much better game if he starts. TBH even if he's not fully fit we can't as a team look any worse than we have done for the last 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Thought Vlaar was awful last time we played Southampton. Hope he has a much better game if he starts. TBH even if he's not fully fit we can't as a team look any worse than we have done for the last 6 games. For some people low points just aren't enough. jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Sorry. Just for you then I'll tell you that last time Vlaar played against Southampton we kept a clean sheet and his guaranteed man of the match performance tomorrow will be the turning point that eventually sees us qualify for Europe by the end of the season Edited January 11, 2013 by Big_John_10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted January 11, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 11, 2013 Sorry. Just for you then I'll tell you that last time Vlaar played against Southampton we kept a clean sheet and his guaranteed man of the match performance tomorrow will be the turning point that eventually sees us qualify for Europe by the end of the season Now, see wasn't that better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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