P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I just hate this attitude that footballers aren't allowed to be human beings, especially the attitude that they ARe allowed, but only if the team is performing. It's just strange. Yes they're role models, and yes they should be more careful than you're everday person. But some people seem to think they should go training, go straight home, and stay in their house until it's time for a match or more training. No-one in any profession works like that Not everyone gets paid £50,000 a week for a job in which they need to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner. anyone in a 50k a week job needs to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner, sportsman or otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I just hate this attitude that footballers aren't allowed to be human beings, especially the attitude that they ARe allowed, but only if the team is performing. It's just strange. Yes they're role models, and yes they should be more careful than you're everday person. But some people seem to think they should go training, go straight home, and stay in their house until it's time for a match or more training. No-one in any profession works like that Not everyone gets paid £50,000 a week for a job in which they need to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner. anyone in a 50k a week job needs to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner, sportsman or otherwise Apparently not the likes of James Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 While a footballer is not held to quite the same level of moral rectitude, they are still public ambassadors for their clubs. It would be 'unprofessional' behaviour at any time during the season but with a relegation fight still ongoing, it was highly disrespectful to the club and the fans. In addition, they get virtually two months holidays that start in a couple of weeks time. i call bullshit on all this football is their job, they're paid to train and perform on the pitch. the media has attached the other stuff to it, and i don't believe for one second that any player is a public ambassador, or needs to be considered "working" at any time other than while training, at their club, or attending an event on behalf of the club, no more than i am considered to be "working" in my role in work if i decide to have a few beers some evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I just hate this attitude that footballers aren't allowed to be human beings, especially the attitude that they ARe allowed, but only if the team is performing. It's just strange. Yes they're role models, and yes they should be more careful than you're everday person. But some people seem to think they should go training, go straight home, and stay in their house until it's time for a match or more training. No-one in any profession works like that Not everyone gets paid £50,000 a week for a job in which they need to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner. anyone in a 50k a week job needs to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner, sportsman or otherwise Apparently not the likes of James Collins. but he was off work the next day and didnt have a match for 5 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Not everyone gets paid £50,000 a week for a job in which they need to look after their body and mind to perform in the right manner. Especially none of those 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 but he was off work the next day and didnt have a match for 5 days? And why was he off work? Rest. He's supposed to be resting to ensure he is fit for an important game. Not recovering from the piss up the night before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiezels Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 These are the sort of headlines that were always attributed to other clubs, never Aston Villa. Since Lerner took control there appears to have been a breakdown in club morals, etiquette and behaviour standards. Oh well, supposed we better get used to it. It isn't going to change anytime soon. The club is an absolute disgrace and rotten to the core. It's all Randy's fault! FLOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 And why was he off work? Rest. He's supposed to be resting to ensure he is fit for an important game. Not recovering from the piss up the night before. how do you know he was drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 While a footballer is not held to quite the same level of moral rectitude, they are still public ambassadors for their clubs. It would be 'unprofessional' behaviour at any time during the season but with a relegation fight still ongoing, it was highly disrespectful to the club and the fans. In addition, they get virtually two months holidays that start in a couple of weeks time. i call bullshit on all this football is their job, they're paid to train and perform on the pitch. the media has attached the other stuff to it, and i don't believe for one second that any player is a public ambassador, or needs to be considered "working" at any time other than while training, at their club, or attending an event on behalf of the club, no more than i am considered to be "working" in my role in work if i decide to have a few beers some evening If the 'media' has attached all the other stuff and you don't believe that any player is a public ambassador then, based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 But some people seem to think they should go training, go straight home, and stay in their house until it's time for a match or more training From one extreme to another. Is it really too much to ask them to behave themselves on a night out? The players have let us down this season on and off the pitch for multiple reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. correct So there is no possibility that their poor behaviour a few nights ago is a breach of any terms written into their contracts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 4, 2012 Moderator Share Posted May 4, 2012 I'd say every player signs a contract that states they are representing the club at all times and that any behaviour that damages the image of AVFC is liable for punishment. So while P3te is right that they're not 'working' at 2:45, they are still employees of a club that they are representing. So, no, I don't think any fines are illeegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. correct So there is no possibility that their poor behaviour a few nights ago is a breach of any terms written into their contracts? if it is it really shouldn't be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 But some people seem to think they should go training, go straight home, and stay in their house until it's time for a match or more training From one extreme to another. Is it really too much to ask them to behave themselves on a night out? Thats a fair point DVIN but none of us know what happened in that club. Its sometimes very easy to take this view or say they should turn a blind eye. But what if it was racial, what if it was something about Petrov, what if one of them was punched by some dickhead or the bouncers decided to get heavy handed as bouncers sometimes do. Its not a good representation of the club but I'm not going to take the moral high ground over something I dont fully know about. And for those saying McGrath never did anything like this, well thats an amazing conclusion to come to given they have no idea what he did or didnt do. Players werent anywhere near scrutinised like they are today, there were no camera phones and cctv was no where near as prevalent. Whether they were tucked up in bed or smashed out of their minds on Monday night its not going to effect their performance for a match on Sunday, they'll be shit anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. correct So there is no possibility that their poor behaviour a few nights ago is a breach of any terms written into their contracts? if it is it really shouldn't be Well if it is the players agreed to it by signing the contract. Maybe they were mesmerised by the size of the pay cheque that they would be getting and didn't read the rest of the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 based on your logic, the fines levied upon the players for this misadventure are totally illegal and should be repaid immediately. correct So there is no possibility that their poor behaviour a few nights ago is a breach of any terms written into their contracts? if it is it really shouldn't be Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I think it is safe to say that being a footballer is not the same as being a tax attorney or a busdriver when it comes to contractual obligations. They represent the club at all times, every move they make is scrutinized. And they are never off the clock, which is also part of why they are paid so much. Because they have fans, millions of people know who they are and thus it is the norm to be fined when acting out. Try bringing that to Human Resources dep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc443 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I love it how so many villa fans are defending them over this... and they're the same people who refer to Lee Hendrie at a pr*ck and everything else- he was no different to this lot. I'm a pretty heavy drinker, drink most days of the week and would describe myself as 'pissed' at least once a week- and I've given up the sauce for the next month as I've got my final uni exams and want a fresh head. And I certianly don't recieve thousands of punds a week in encouragement to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYSTERYMAN Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 The ring leaders are still at the club and the biggest mistake was not getting rid in the summer . AM hasn't changed them and yet I know he feels like Houllier did about them . It was always going to happen an absolute disgrace to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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