steaknchips Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Here, a qualified guy saying the same thing as the unqualified guy; http://creation.com/radioactive-dating-fatal-flaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoD Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Bit late Bickster! We've moved on, he's currently explaining to me his theoretical model of radiometric dating and radiative decay, so far I've learnt that dogs bury bones. Sorry I'm playing catch up but no-one seemed to have challenged that post and it's incredible scientists Two of us mentioned project steve and how picking a couple of 'scientists' doesn't prove much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Here, a qualified guy saying the same thing as the unqualified guy; http://creation.com/radioactive-dating-fatal-flaw Gold, quoting a creationist site. One amusing thing about you crazy religious fanatics, you never meet you lot in real life only on online forums. What in earth do you work at? I can't imagine you can work in anything thats forward looking given you're fixation with preserving a poor crude and clearly fictional book from the past. You're only a christian because constantine happened to win a big important battle when he had his men adorn their shields with christian symbols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Is this a wind up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted November 6, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2011 It is. Nobody that thick would have survived long enough to have learnt to use google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Is this a wind up? I've assumed it was from the opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 6, 2011 Administrator Share Posted November 6, 2011 It might be possible that God shortened the lifespan of man because of man's great wickedness Don't tease. Does the bible state this or not? To save you having to look it up, I'll move on. How many of us will live the 120 years that Genesis gives us? Perhaps the guy writing down god's words didn't know the right word for "year" either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regular_john Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Radiocarbon dates that do not fit a desired theory are often excluded by alleging cross-contamination of the sample. In this manner, an evolutionist can present a sample for analysis, and tell the laboratory that he assumes the sample to be somewhere between 50,000 years old and 100,000 years old. Dates that do not conform to this estimate are thrown out. Repeated testing of the sample may show nine tests that indicate an age of 5000 to 10,000 years old, and one test that shows an age of 65,000 years old. The nine results showing ages that do not conform to the pre-supposed theory are excluded. This is bad science, and it is practiced all the time to fit with the evolutionary model. http://contenderministries.org/evolution/carbon14.php Stop referencing creationist websites. If you want an adult discussion you're going to have to start acting like an adult. You are stating that radiometric dating is inaccurate and is leading to samples being dated incorrectly. If what you are saying is true there would be hundreds of scientific papers documenting this, and they would all be worthy of a Nobel prize. Instead of referencing religious websites written by scientifically ignorant charlatans, go and find us some properly written scientific material. You can use google scholar to help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 It's a fair troll that it has lasted 16 pages but it's a troll nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Radiocarbon dates that do not fit a desired theory are often excluded by alleging cross-contamination of the sample. In this manner, an evolutionist can present a sample for analysis, and tell the laboratory that he assumes the sample to be somewhere between 50,000 years old and 100,000 years old. Dates that do not conform to this estimate are thrown out. Repeated testing of the sample may show nine tests that indicate an age of 5000 to 10,000 years old, and one test that shows an age of 65,000 years old. The nine results showing ages that do not conform to the pre-supposed theory are excluded. This is bad science, and it is practiced all the time to fit with the evolutionary model. http://contenderministries.org/evolution/carbon14.php Stop referencing creationist websites. If you want an adult discussion you're going to have to start acting like an adult. You are stating that radiometric dating is inaccurate and is leading to samples being dated incorrectly. If what you are saying is true there would be hundreds of scientific papers documenting this, and they would all be worthy of a Nobel prize. Instead of referencing religious websites written by scientifically ignorant charlatans, go and find us some properly written scientific material. You can use google scholar to help you out. Check the non religious web sites too if you want, they all state the same thing on radiometric dating..It is guessed because the initial composition of the rock in unknown, it is only guessed...Along with how the composition of the rock has changed over its entire history..The radioactive decay rate needs to constant to also get a correct reading, this again is guessed. Only recently scientists themselves have said that radioactive decay rates can change over time for various reasons(but again this is just one of numerous problems with radiometric dating accuracy).. Numerous samples of rock were taken from Mt Ngauruhoe, which erupted in the 1950's..The rocks sent to the lab were around 50 years old..Yet the dating came back stating they were millions of years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 How old is Zeus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Numerous samples of rock were taken from Mt Ngauruhoe, which erupted in the 1950's..The rocks sent to the lab were around 50 years old..Yet the dating came back stating they were millions of years old. How old do you believe the earth is? Not life on it, the actual planet. How old is the planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Numerous samples of rock were taken from Mt Ngauruhoe, which erupted in the 1950's..The rocks sent to the lab were around 50 years old..Yet the dating came back stating they were millions of years old. How old do you believe the earth is? Not life on it, the actual planet. How old is the planet? Depends what you believe.. If you believe God created the world and in the bible, the earth is less than 10,000 years old..Unless you twist words around in the bible to fit the evolution model, as I explained above how thats done. If you believe in evolution, the the earth will be billions of years old, again this number will keep changing. Its ranged from millions to billions. What is said yesterday can easily change today by as much as a billion years. Which basically gives you three options/roads to go down to determine how old the earth is. 1. Bible as it states = less than 10k years old. 2. Bible with vague writings in Genesis that need changing to fit the evolution model = billions of years. 3. Evolution = billions of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 How old is Zeus? Greek gods went the way of the Dodo when the empire became Christian thanks to Constantine. Greece became Eastern Orthodox because the Emperor (of Byzantium) was both head of the church and autocrat of the empire. Of course Christians from Europe being such nice folk sacked Constantinople in the 14th century and put a prostitute on the patriarchs seat in St Sofia. This was called the 4th Crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Actual question steaknchips, what do you think about Islam, Judaism and Hindu religions. What becomes of them given they follow a different faith due to the location of their birth? Hindu isn't even monotheistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted November 6, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2011 It might be possible that God shortened the lifespan of man because of man's great wickedness Don't tease. Does the bible state this or not? To save you having to look it up, I'll move on. Genesis 6:1-3 1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years.” It goes on to talk about God being "grieved that he had made man" because of their great wickedness and wiped them out with the flood. How many of us will live the 120 years that Genesis gives us? Perhaps the guy writing down god's words didn't know the right word for "year" either. 120 years is the maximum, not the expected life span. For that, you want this passage: Psalm 90:10 The length of our days is seventy years— or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDon Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Numerous samples of rock were taken from Mt Ngauruhoe, which erupted in the 1950's..The rocks sent to the lab were around 50 years old..Yet the dating came back stating they were millions of years old. How old do you believe the earth is? Not life on it, the actual planet. How old is the planet? Depends what you believe.. If you believe God created the world and in the bible, the earth is less than 10,000 years old..Unless you twist words around in the bible to fit the evolution model, as I explained above how thats done. If you believe in evolution, the the earth will be billions of years old, again this number will keep changing. Its ranged from millions to billions. What is said yesterday can easily change today by as much as a billion years. Which basically gives you three options/roads to go down to determine how old the earth is. 1. Bible as it states = less than 10k years old. 2. Bible with vague writings in Genesis that need changing to fit the evolution model = billions of years. 3. Evolution = billions of years. That's an awful lot of words to spend not answering a question. Once again. How old DO YOU think the earth is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Numerous samples of rock were taken from Mt Ngauruhoe, which erupted in the 1950's..The rocks sent to the lab were around 50 years old..Yet the dating came back stating they were millions of years old. How old do you believe the earth is? Not life on it, the actual planet. How old is the planet? Depends what you believe.. If you believe God created the world and in the bible, the earth is less than 10,000 years old..Unless you twist words around in the bible to fit the evolution model, as I explained above how thats done. If you believe in evolution, the the earth will be billions of years old, again this number will keep changing. Its ranged from millions to billions. What is said yesterday can easily change today by as much as a billion years. Which basically gives you three options/roads to go down to determine how old the earth is. 1. Bible as it states = less than 10k years old. 2. Bible with vague writings in Genesis that need changing to fit the evolution model = billions of years. 3. Evolution = billions of years. That's an awful lot of words to spend not answering a question. Once again. How old DO YOU think the earth is? I think what he's trying to say is he doesnt know? If there is a God. I'm sure it wouldnt be hard for that God to create a planet with a history. Ie, he creates a tree, but the tree has 50 rungs in it. So whilst the tree has only been tehre a few minutes, it has a history, and an age of 50 years. As could ahve been the case with Adam and Eve. I mean he's God, he can do what he wants. Hmmm, God threads on VT, strange places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steaknchips Posted November 6, 2011 Author Share Posted November 6, 2011 Actual question steaknchips, what do you think about Islam, Judaism and Hindu religions. What becomes of them given they follow a different faith due to the location of their birth? Hindu isn't even monotheistic. Romans 2: 1 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do ainstinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. -------- This scripture speaks about those who have never heard the Law of God, and how they will be judged according to the law that is written in their hearts. The Law written in their hearts is the knowledge of right and wrong. Perhaps God's judgment of those without a proper knowledge of Him is included there where it says that they will be judged according to their own consciences that "bear witness, and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 But they have knowledge of a God, or Gods and have their own laws so will follow those laws They also know of the God in the Bible but have been tought to follow another God So what of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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