Could Noah's Ark hold all the animals?

[Chindie]

Back on topic.

Why is the thread titled in the form of a question anyway as it seems as if the OP already had their answer regardless ?

How did Noah get around all the continents collecting all the indigenous species by the way ?

Marsupials from Australia....Polar bears fro the Arctic etc etc ?

It seems like a logistical nightmare .

I guess it makes it sound like a chance for discussion, when actually it was simply an opportunity for steakandchips to preach nonsense

He's not preaching, hes trolling. Badly, since rather than antagonise hes simply succeeded in getting the readers of the thread to suspect hes retarded.

Of course, if he did actually believe this, you'd be doing him a favour by calling the local asylum.

[Brumerican]

There is no better explanation for the origin of these marvelous abilities. We can't know if this explanation is true, for the Creator hasn't told us the details. But at least there is a plausible answer. The naturalist has none.

http://www.icr.org/article/how-did-noah-gather-animals/

[Kiwivillan]

We suspect that the recently created, more robust specimens before the Flood were even more adaptable and had no reason to isolate. Very likely, all of these areas were possibly connected as a single continent, with no mountain or ocean barriers to hinder migration. Such varied zones resulted from the Flood and did not exist before.

How can we argue with such well grounded "suspicions"...

[steaknchips]

Its quite funny that today animals, Birds etc possess this instinct to detect floods etc and naturally escape before they happen. Humans dont have it....Ahhhhh its just a coincidence isnt it? Ever wonder where it came from in the its 1st instance?

Funny how the bible states that God will bring the animals to thee to keep alive. Just one slip up there by saying Noah was to collect all the animals could have put the bible in jeopardy..But like all the Bible there are no silly mistakes like that..

Oh and wow, no ships that size were ever built in those days, yet the dimensions are pretty sound in today's engineering calculations..

Once again its amazing the knowledge these people had considering they spent all their lives trotting around on donkeys.

[Kiwivillan]

I don't understand why so many non-Jewish people refer to a text that is inherintly Jewish and not that old relatively in the civilised world.

That is why I could no longer be a Catholic from the age of 14 as I couldn't believe in a collection of Jewish myths and legend that were foisted on my ancestors purely through the circumstances of history and conquest.

[Brumerican]

Its quite funny that today animals, Birds etc possess this instinct to detect floods etc and naturally escape before they happen. Humans dont have it....Ahhhhh its just a coincidence isnt it? Ever wonder where it came from in the its 1st instance?

Funny how the bible states that God will bring the animals to thee to keep alive. Just one slip up there by saying Noah was to collect all the animals could have put the bible in jeopardy..But like all the Bible there are no silly mistakes like that..

Oh and wow, no ships that size were ever built in those days, yet the dimensions are pretty sound in today's engineering calculations..

Once again its amazing the knowledge these people had considering they spent all their lives trotting around on donkeys.

Birds can instinctively detect floods huh ? Do they even need to, because you know they could just... fly away ?

Would you like a list of silly mistakes in the bible by the way ? Or even a list of hypocritical things or maybe some downright evil things ?

[steaknchips]

Brum,

There are no mistakes or contradictions in the bible..Just lack of understanding by the reader.

Before you start posting up loads of passages, please google them and get them explained...If you get stuck, post up the ones you get stuck on....I will be amazed if you find any.

[Kiwivillan]

The bible is literally true and not full of any contradictions....

War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

[Kiwivillan]

There are no contradictions in the bible. Especially not right at the beginning with Genesis 1 and 2

Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light

Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)

Day 3: Plants

Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)

Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)

Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)

Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)

Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)

Plants

Animals

Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

How orderly were things created?

#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."

#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?

#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.

#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

[steaknchips]

Dont be daft Kiwi...You keep saying im the stupid one..

You are now coming across as a guy that slates the bible without having the understanding of it..

Do you seriously think I couldnt post up a 1000 web sites to explain the web link's contradictions you have just posted up?

Do some homework on the other side of the coin..

[Brumerican]

Brum,

There are no mistakes or contradictions in the bible..Just lack of understanding by the reader.

Before you start posting up loads of passages, please google them and get them explained...If you get stuck, post up the ones you get stuck on....I will be amazed if you find any.

Cool , I will get right on that.....as soon as I can find an unaltered, original biblical manuscript . I'm struggling to find one at the moment though...Don't suppose you could point me in the right direction ?

[Kiwivillan]

Dont be daft Kiwi...You keep saying im the stupid one..

You are now coming across as a guy that slates the bible without having the understanding of it..

Do you seriously think I couldnt post up a 1000 web sites to explain the web link's contradictions you have just posted up?

Do some homework on the other side of the coin..

One will suffice.

Why does there need to be 1000 websites to explain that contradictions in the bible aren't contradictions? To save undermining the fundamentalist bullshit that get's espoused.

Could it be Occam's razor?

That the simplest solution is that they are contradictions because it's handed down myth and legend.

[regular_john]

Dont be daft Kiwi...You keep saying im the stupid one..

You are now coming across as a guy that slates the bible without having the understanding of it..

Do you seriously think I couldnt post up a 1000 web sites to explain the web link's contradictions you have just posted up?

Do some homework on the other side of the coin..

Instead of just diverting attention, why don't you just address the passages he mentioned??

[Brumerican]

Dont be daft Kiwi...You keep saying im the stupid one..

You are now coming across as a guy that slates the bible without having the understanding of it..

Do you seriously think I couldnt post up a 1000 web sites to explain the web link's contradictions you have just posted up?

Do some homework on the other side of the coin..

The Bible consists of a collection of sixty-six separate books. These books were chosen, after a bit of haggling, by the Catholic Council of Carthage in 397 A.D.—more than three hundred years after the time of Jesus. This collection is broken into two major sections: The Old Testament, which consists of thirty-nine books, and The New Testament, which consists of twenty-seven books. (Catholic Bibles include additional books known as the Apocrypha.)

The Old Testament is concerned with the Hebrew God, Yahweh, and purports to be a history of the early Israelites. The New Testament is the work of early Christians and reflects their beliefs about Jesus; it purports to be a history of what Jesus taught and did.

The composition of the various books is thought to have begun around 1000 B.C., and to have continued for about 1,100 years. Much oral material was included. This was repeated from father to son, revised over and over again, and then put into written form by various editors. These editors often worked in different locales and in different time periods, and were often unaware of each other. Their work was primarily intended for local use and it is unlikely that any author foresaw that his work would be included in a "Bible."

No original manuscripts exist. There is probably not one book which survives in anything like its original form. There are hundreds of differences between the oldest manuscripts of any one book. These differences indicate that numerous additions and alterations, some accidental and some purposeful, were made to the originals by various authors, editors, and copyists.

Many biblical authors are unknown. When an author has been named that name has sometimes been selected by pious believers rather than given by the author himself. The four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, are examples of books which did not carry the names of their actual authors; the present names were assigned long after these four books were written. And—in spite of what the Gospel authors say—biblical scholars are now almost unanimously agreed that none of the Gospel authors was either an actual disciple of Jesus or even an eyewitness to his ministry.

Although some books of the Bible are traditionally attributed to a single author, many are actually the work of multiple authors. Genesis and John are two examples of books which reflect multiple authorship.

Many biblical books have the earmarks of fiction. For example, private conversations are often related when no reporter was present. Conversations between God and various individuals are recorded. Prehistoric events are given in great detail. When a story is told by more than one author, there are usually significant differences. Many stories—stories which in their original context are considered even by Christians to be fictional—were borrowed by the biblical authors, adapted for their own purposes, given a historical setting, and then declared to be fact.

The Flood story is an example of this kind of adaptation. Its migration from the earliest known occurrence in Sumeria, around 1600 B.C., from place to place and eventually to the Bible, can be traced historically. Each time the story was used again, it was altered to speak of local gods and heroes..

But is the Bible, nevertheless, the work of God? Is it a valid guidebook? How can we know?

If the Bible were really the work of a perfect, all-powerful, and loving God, one would reasonably expect it to be obviously superlative in every respect—accurate, clear, concise, and consistent throughout—as compared to anything that could possibly be conceived by human intellect alone.

Fundamentalists, in fact, hold this to be true. Using a circular argument, they say that because the Bible is without error or inconsistency, it must be the work of God, and because it is the work of God, it must be without error or inconsistency. It seems not to matter which proposition comes first, the other is thought to follow.

Notwithstanding the fundamentalist viewpoint, however, the Bible does contain a number of real problems. And some of these problems are absolutely fatal to its credibility.

Many passages relate God-ordained atrocities; such passages are unworthy of the Christian God. Some biblical precepts are both unreasonable and unlikely since they are in obvious disagreement with common sense as well as the qualities of character which are attributed to God. Some biblical statements are absurd in that they represent very primitive beliefs. The believability of many biblical stories—stories that are crucial to Christianity—are discredited by numerous inconsistencies. The picture is further complicated by the many different and conflicting interpretations that are often given to a specific passage by sincere, well-intentioned believers.

While Biblicists are capable of offering some sort of explanation for nearly any biblical problem that can be uncovered, such explanations should be unnecessary. The point is not whether some explanation can be conceived, but rather that a perfect, all-powerful, and loving God certainly could, should, and would do a much better job of it were he to have anything to do with the writing of a book.

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That was just some boring copy n paste work which you seem to enjoy as you obviously can't think for yourself .

If I had to pick some contradictions from the bible myself I would probably start off with the idea of an all loving God ordering the murders of innocent babies.

Then I would ask how an all loving God could condone slavery .

And rape.

And jealousy .

And incest .

And human sacrifice.

And the physical mutilation of children .

And looting .

And prostituting your own children .

It goes on and on.

Now even I know these things are evil so why doesn't this all loving God know it too ? This is a massive and fatal contradiction IMO and just goes to show that the god of the bible is the fictional work of men who projected their own short comings upon their fictional literary creation .

Man wasn't made in God's image....we made him in ours .

[steaknchips]

This web site might give some answers as to the canopy Julie was refering to;

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml

[steaknchips]

You wouldnt have a link to that please Brum? I would like to take a look.

By the way, the rape, incest stuff etc can all be explained on various web sites...Just google and research it...Ive seen it all before. Its all explained.

[Brumerican]

You wouldnt have a link to that please Brum? I would like to take a look.

A link to what ? The evil atrocities directly ordered by God ? They are all in the bible. No link required .

[Brumerican]

You wouldnt have a link to that please Brum? I would like to take a look.

By the way, the rape, incest stuff etc can all be explained on various web sites...Just google and research it...Ive seen it all before. Its all explained.

I don't want to hear some biased religious website's excuse for God justifying rape ...I want to hear your own answer that you have thought out .

Come on now , just use tour own brain and tell me how God ordering rape, murder and slavery isn't a contradiction to an all loving deity ?

You have the audacity to tell people to research both side of the coin but it is blatantly obvious that you have no idea of how and when the bible was compiled at all, do you ?

[NowDoINotLikeThat]

Bible of course is full of contradictions .

Its written by countless ammounts of ppl over a very long period and there has been numerous versions of it.

Inevitable theres contradictions.

Maybe there was a bloke with a boat who saved some livestock during a flood and story and details just got exaggerated over time etc.

I thought most christians viewed most of old testament as parables rather than actual literal events ...

surely its the new testament christians pay more attention to?

seems not so on here!

Not religious myself but is interesting. Have to say the Vatican is perhaps weirdest place i have ever visited and seemed very much at odds with teachings of Jesus and co.

[steaknchips]

This might help you understand why slavery was permitted.

https://www.evidenceforchristianity.org/index.php?option=com_custom_content&task=view&id=4264