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If there was a general election tomorrow who would you vote for?  

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  1. 1. If there was a general election tomorrow who would you vote for?

    • Labour
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    • Conservative
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    • Liberal Democrats
      36
    • Green Party
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    • SNP
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    • Plaid Cymru
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    • BNP
      18
    • Other (please state)
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    • Spoilt Ballot
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    • Abstain / Won't Bother
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I really can't see how anyone who wasn't rich would want to vote for the Conservatives. There's absolutely no way we'd be better off under that smug clearing in the woods and his party. If they win it's surely only Labour's incompetence that's doing it, the Conservatives are nothing special, far from it.

Accepting your view, you don't think that Brown, Balls and Miliband are smug?

And presumably Prince Mandelson is the absolute epitome of humility?

At least you concede that Labour are incompetent. The problem for all of us is that they have been very incompetent for a very long time.

And if Cameron is smug, and I think that you may be right, is it not the 'glam' politics of this generation that has elevated him to his position, ahead of an eminently more competent guy like Hague who will never have the right image?

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And if Cameron is smug, and I think that you may be right, is it not the 'glam' politics of this generation that has elevated him to his position, ahead of an eminently more competent guy like Hague who will never have the right image?

Hague's problem goes beyond his image - he portrays, and this is perhaps to his credit that he chooses not to hide it, what he is, and that is a skilled politician of a party that isn't popular with massive swathes of the UK. I met Hague when I was a lot younger and I liked the guy, he answered questions skillfully and without the bollocks to tidy it up. We were only school kids so it's not we were Paxman, but he did well.

Still he's a Tory and very clearly a Tory. And that will not win votes with many people.

Cameron hides what he is, desperately, for that reason. The stuff recently about class war from Labour said rather a lot about the modern Conservative party - they're so scared of their background they worry it'll be revealed.

I'm not so sure why they are that worried mind as unless it was revealed Cameron eats children and hunts the poor of a weekend he'd get in because he isn't Gordon Brown and he isn't Labour.

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And if Cameron is smug, and I think that you may be right, is it not the 'glam' politics of this generation that has elevated him to his position, ahead of an eminently more competent guy like Hague who will never have the right image?

Hague's problem goes beyond his image - he portrays, and this is perhaps to his credit that he chooses not to hide it, what he is, and that is a skilled politician of a party that isn't popular with massive swathes of the UK.

Chindie,

2005 election results:

Total share of popular vote:

Labour - 9,562,122

Conservative - 8,772,598

Total number of seats:

Labour - 356

Conservative - 198

Despite the disproportionate number of seats gained by Labour compared to the comparitive number of votes between the two parties I think it's fair to say that your assumptions about Tory unpopularity with "large swathes" of the UK are slightly misguided.

With Brown instead of Blair at the helm, well...

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I don't think they are misguided Awol. The Tories aren't popular with people from poor backgrounds, that;s all there is to it in my view. I don't think the election says much - roughly a half of the UK voted (slightly less actually but never mind) and the Tories managed to get barely morre than they did the time before. I think all those figures show is that Labour got less popular, even the Tories only gained about half a million in that election. Comparitively they had achieved more than a third more than that in their last election win. In 2005 even the Lib Dems, the perennial never winners, got an increase of a million more.

I think Thatcher blew the Tories load for massive swathes of the UK, and I'll stand by that. They just aren't popular with the people they toss aside. Cameron damn well knows it and he desperately tries to hide what he is. He quit Whites for pities sake.

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The Tories have never been popular in Wales and Scotland, two populations with enormous chips on their collective shoulders who have a huge influence on who governs the English.

Again, i can't disagree that the Tories have, in the past 'tossed' people aside, but as a disaffected middle-Englander with a family who pays shit loads of tax (willingly), I feel very 'tossed aside' by this government.

Twelve or so years ago this country married a woman who was quite attractive and gave us hope. She has lied to us, cheated on us and burned everything that we have worked for by spending big and putting it all on credit. Now we have seen another woman, an old flame, who knocked us about a bit in the past and in truth is pretty damn ugly, but we have to get away so we'll climb in bed with her and see whether she has mellowed for the good and we can scratch out some kind of future from the ashes of the present.

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Can't believe the Tories are in the lead in the poll. Have you all gone mad!?

Given that VT appears to be largely populated by impressionable youngsters and ageing 'thinking' socialists (with respect), I think that any narrow lead for the Tories in a VT poll will translate into a landslide victory on election day.

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Why would VT be unrepresentative in such a way - other than being disproportionately male, compared to the populace at large and without knowing (or wanting to know) the racial or social "profile" of all us posters - why would us lot be not reasonably representative of the population at large?

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I really can't see how anyone who wasn't rich would want to vote for the Conservatives. There's absolutely no way we'd be better off under that smug clearing in the woods and his party. If they win it's surely only Labour's incompetence that's doing it, the Conservatives are nothing special, far from it.

Accepting your view, you don't think that Brown, Balls and Miliband are smug?

And presumably Prince Mandelson is the absolute epitome of humility?

At least you concede that Labour are incompetent. The problem for all of us is that they have been very incompetent for a very long time.

And if Cameron is smug, and I think that you may be right, is it not the 'glam' politics of this generation that has elevated him to his position, ahead of an eminently more competent guy like Hague who will never have the right image?

I don't think Brown is particularly smug, but agree Balls and Miliband are, but it isn't a particular reason I wouldn't vote for him, if he came up with some good policies I'd consider it, I was just describing how I see him.

I'm not a Labour voter either as it happens but I'd be more willing to vote for Hague than Cameron as a person.

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Awol Grand Master

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Why would VT be unrepresentative in such a way - other than being disproportionately male, compared to the populace at large and without knowing (or wanting to know) the racial or social "profile" of all us posters - why would us lot be not reasonably representative of the population at large?

"If you're not a Liberal aged 20 you haven't got a heart, if you're not a Conservative aged 40 you haven't got a head." W. Churchill.

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VT has a ton of students and they are usually more inclined to the political left so I'd agree with TT that the membership is somewhat unrepresentative as a sample of the population at large.

Tony 'pollster' 29 could probably shed more light on how accurate that is though.

I also agree with Paddy and TT that Hague is streets ahead of Cameron intellectually.

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The Tories aren't popular with people from poor backgrounds

I'm sure the figures can be found but if you took England in isolation , more people voted Tory than labour at the last election .. Where Labour gained power was via Scotland in effect..

This Tories only care about the rich is getting a bit boring now .. I seem to recall the working man party abolished a 10p tax rate and screwed the poor not so long ago ... End of the day Blair and Brown courted the rich , got the bankers on side and got elected .. how very working class of them

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Twelve or so years ago this country married a woman who was quite attractive and gave us hope. She has lied to us, cheated on us and burned everything that we have worked for by spending big and putting it all on credit. Now we have seen another woman, an old flame, who knocked us about a bit in the past and in truth is pretty damn ugly, but we have to get away so we'll climb in bed with her and see whether she has mellowed for the good and we can scratch out some kind of future from the ashes of the present.

Why not try banging the vegetarian nerdy chick in glasses at the bar who never manages to get a guy to take her home?

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