mjmooney Posted March 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2012 Although the song's lyrics were written by Verve vocalist Richard Ashcroft, it has been credited to Keith Richards and Mick Jagger after charges by the original copyright owners that the song was plagiarized from the Andrew Oldham Orchestra recording of The Rolling Stones' 1965 song "The Last Time". Originally, The Verve had negotiated a licence to use a sample from the Oldham recording, but it was successfully argued that the Verve had used "too much" of the sample, in spite of there being no comparison between the two versions. Despite having original lyrics, the music of "Bitter Sweet Symphony" is partially based on the Oldham track, which led to a lawsuit with ABKCO Records, Allen Klein's company that owns the rights to the Rolling Stones material of the 1960s. The matter was eventually settled, with copyright of the song reverting to Abkco and songwriting credits to Jagger and Richards. "We were told it was going to be a 50/50 split, and then they saw how well the record was doing," says band member Simon Jones. "They rung up and said, 'We want 100 percent or take it out of the shops, you don't have much choice.'" After losing the composer credits to the song, Richard Ashcroft commented, "This is the best song Jagger and Richards have written in 20 years", noting it was their biggest UK hit since "Brown Sugar". The song was later used without the permission of the band by Nike in a shoe commercial. As a result, it was on the Illegal Art CD from the magazine Stay Free!. The song was also used in a Vauxhall Motors advertisement and several of Opel in 1998. On Ashcroft's return to touring, the song traditionally ended the set list. Ashcroft also reworked the single for VH2 Live for the music channel VH1, stripping the song of its strings. Ashcroft is quoted as saying during the show: "Despite all the legal angles and the bullshit, strip down to the chords and the lyrics and the melody and you realise there is such a good song there." In a Cash for Questions interview with Q magazine published in January 1999, Keith Richards was asked (by John Johnson of Enfield) if he thought it was harsh taking all The Verve's royalties from "Bitter Sweet Symphony", to which he replied, "I'm out of whack here, this is serious lawyer shit. If The Verve can write a better song, they can keep the money." Wikipedia You be the judge: The Last Time, by the Stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It's a great song, by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 **** hell is quiet in here again today! Are people still struggling to get on the site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nah, that debate about the song royalties just bored me to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nah, that debate about the song royalties just bored me to sleep. We do need to cheers this thread up again..... Dante, you bought any new hats? How is the girlfriend? Shillzz, how is your love life? Any funny japes? Wiggy, how did things go at court? did the RSPCA have a sex offenders register? Gareth, Any more confectionary based sexual deviances? Had fajitas lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leemond2008 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 fine then irreventad dont ask me any questions...I wouldnt answer them anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 **** hell is quiet in here again today! Are people still struggling to get on the site? Take a look out the window, it's glorious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 fine then irreventad dont ask me any questions...I wouldnt answer them anyway I didn't want to make you angry.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted March 1, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted March 1, 2012 **** hell is quiet in here again today! Are people still struggling to get on the site? Aloha. Good afternoon to you I found yesterday terrible to get on here before I switched to the "w0" site but the main site seems to work perfectly today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 **** hell is quiet in here again today! Are people still struggling to get on the site? Take a look out the window, it's glorious Should be on the golf course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Gareth, Any more confectionary based sexual deviances? Had fajitas lately? As it so happens, yes on the deviancy front. Nothing too exciting mind, just using up the leftover maple syrup from pancake day. Stuff's a nightmare to clean though, for 2 days afterwards my nipples smelt of Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 **** hell Wiggy, have a word lad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Gareth, Any more confectionary based sexual deviances? Had fajitas lately? As it so happens, yes on the deviancy front. Nothing too exciting mind, just using up the leftover maple syrup from pancake day. Stuff's a nightmare to clean though, for 2 days afterwards my nipples smelt of Canada. Ahh the lovely smell of pine trees and moose! Might have been good to have added some 'hundreds and thousands'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nah, the bleeders would have gotten everywhere. Last thing you want is to be picking brightly-coloured sugar bits out of your perineum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Nah, the bleeders would have gotten everywhere. Last thing you want is to be picking brightly-coloured sugar bits out of your perineum. never a truer word uttered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 No new hats lately. I've actually been wearing them a bit less strangely. Must be the change in weather. Sunshine = bald head out. Missus is good. We've just booked a few days away up in York for a few weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Wiggy, how did things go at court? did the RSPCA have a sex offenders register? I cant think of a witty come back at this moment in time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Missus is good. We've just booked a few days away up in York for a few weeks time. Did you pay cash for it? Any extra's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irreverentad Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Wiggy, how did things go at court? did the RSPCA have a sex offenders register? I cant think of a witty come back at this moment in time! I thought you were taking your time! :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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