GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 ... your point is you put so much weight in the opinion of other managers in lennon, yet plenty of former managers (including one in common with those in your lennon list) think hes fantastic hes clearly not im just highlighting that just because "insert name here" says someone is good, it doesnt mean they are You make a fair point. However, I would say Heskey in the past has been better than he is now - not perhaps surprising considering that he'll soon be 32 years old. I'd also say Heskey wouldn't be in the current England set-up if it weren't for Rooney and the notion that Rooney plays best with Heskey (I don't happen to agree with that notion, but there you go). Whereas the inclusion of Lennon in the WC squad is not dependent on the presence of another particular player in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vojskovoda Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 1. Lennon has been at Spurs longer than Milner has at Villa and why do you seem to think Lennon is more likely to be in the WC squad than Milner when Lennon hasn't shown he deserves to be in the squad more than Milner. ... I've already said why: try reading the thread. ... Why do you just post the same things on this forum and on Redcafe ... Generally I don't. For example, I don't recall discussing Milner vs. Lennon anywhere else but here. Why are you so interested in what I post on Redcafe, when I couldn't care less whether you post on there or not? Why am I not interested? Perhaps it's because, unlike you it seems, I'm not one of these stalker types who obsesses about particular posters and apparently seeks to target them. Anyhow, good luck with your "hobby". 1. So... even though Capello likes Milner because of his workrate, creativity going foward and doing his defensive duties you still think Lennon 'deserves' to be in the England WC squad ahead of Milner even though you haven't explained as to why Lennon deserves to be in the squad more than Milner. Riiiiiight. 2. Yeah... you've sussed me out Glaston, damn! You have the same username on Redcafe as you do on this forum that's how I recognise you. Everyone just laughs and rips the piss out of you on Redcafe when you bang on about Spurs all the time and say they're the greatest overrating your own players and making excuses when you lose... that sounds familiar lol. Have you just signed up to both forums so you can stroke your ego just so you can brag (how could you brag about supporting spurs lol) about Spurs whilst talking BS but have no intrest in talking about both clubs? Why don't you just sign up to a Spurs forum if you just want to talk about Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Nobody mentions how Lennon should be picked ahead of SWP and Walcott. Milner is cover for the left wing slot anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vojskovoda Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Walcott is much much better than Lennon and it's a shame he's had so many injuries recently which have put a blight on him getting in the England team. Once he stays fit he'll be #1 candidate for the right-wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legov Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Walcott is much much better than Lennon and it's a shame he's had so many injuries recently which have put a blight on him getting in the England team. Once he stays fit he'll be #1 candidate for the right-wing. I was really impressed with Lennon against Croatia tbh, skinned the Croatian defenders time and again and made a few quality crosses. But I havent had the chance to watch him regularly so there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted November 19, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2009 The fight for Englands right side should be between Milner and Lennon, Walcott is injury prone and has had no time to gain any form, Beckham would be a waste of a squad place and SWP.......... Milner and Lennon offer completely different qualities IMO. With 20 minutes to go 1-0 down I would like Lennon on the pitch, with Glen Johnson at right back and to start a game I would prefer Milner. TBH, I suspect Capello may well feel the same. Lennon has had seasons of under achievement at Spurs, when Bentley was signed it looked like Lennon's time to move had arrived, he has, to his credit raised his game and kept Bentley out of the Spurs team. Milner has had less than a year at Villa and in that time he has forced his way into the England squad and IMO was our best player against Brazil, despite being played on the left side. Its early days, but IMO Milner has more to offer, if I had to pick one of them it would be him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardCanning Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The one thing I just can't fathom is: If all the Spurs players are better than the Villa players, then why do Villa finish above Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 19, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2009 Because the last couple of seasons have just been a "blip"...apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Beckham would be a waste of a squad place Who'd want a world class passer, crosser, set piece specialist in their squad hey. Not to mention a superstar of the game who has shown recently that just entering the pitch raised the fans and subsequently the team where a superb 30 minute period led to him being man of the match. Waste of a space......? Some people don't like Beckham because of his lifestyle which I understand. But as a footballer, he is still immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If you were to go around the country and ask football fans who they would rather see in the WC squad - Lennon or Milner, what would the response be? Serious question. Neither is superior to the other, in my opinion. I prefer Milner, though. I suspect the majority would go with him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If Lennon was that good he would have gone to a big club by now. He is already at a big club. In any case, what's with the "by now"? He's 3 years younger than Downing, 2 years younger than Ashley Young and 1 year younger than Milner. You'd love all three in your team. Bet all 3 of the above get more England caps than Lennon - since it means so much to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 1. So... even though Capello likes Milner because of his workrate, creativity going foward and doing his defensive duties you still think Lennon 'deserves' to be in the England WC squad ahead of Milner even though you haven't explained as to why Lennon deserves to be in the squad more than Milner. Riiiiiight. ... I have already explained why. But since you seem incapable of reading the thread let me repeat: The primary role of a wide midfielder is not "defensive duties" and Milner's "creativity going forward" is far less than Lennon's (Milner poses far less of an attacking threat). As for "work rate", I think that Capello, in relation to wide midfielders, is rather more interested in looking for attacking, game-changing players. Apart from anything else, Milner is not even competing with Lennon for the same RW slot. So Milner may well be in Capello's WC squad - I just happen to think that his place is less secure than Lennon's. 2. Yeah... you've sussed me out Glaston, damn! You have the same username on Redcafe as you do on this forum that's how I recognise you. I didn't ask how you recognised me. I asked why you are so interested in tracking what I post elsewhere, when frankly I couldn't care less whether or not you choose to post elsewhere. The difference is that I prefer to talk about football rather than sadly obsesssing with individual posters and seeking to to target them. As I've said already: good luck with your "hobby". The rest of your comments are not worth responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 ... with Glen Johnson at right back and to start a game I would prefer Milner. TBH, I suspect Capello may well feel the same. ... Capello has rarely (if ever?) started Milner on the right. ... Lennon has had seasons of under achievement at Spurs ... Clearly you missed my earlier post detailing exactly what Lennon has been part of whilst at Spurs, in contrast to Milner so far at any club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villamark Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If he was as good as you think he is, he would be a big club. Not at a club who think being a big club is finishing 5 th and wining a poxy league cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The one thing I just can't fathom is: If all the Spurs players are better than the Villa players, then why do Villa finish above Spurs? I can only suggest that you: (a) ask someone who thinks that "all the Spurs players are better than the Villa players"; and .... ( modify the 2nd part of your question so that it reflects the facts (the finishing places) during the period that at least some of the current players for both teams have been at each of the clubs concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 1. So... even though Capello likes Milner because of his workrate, creativity going foward and doing his defensive duties you still think Lennon 'deserves' to be in the England WC squad ahead of Milner even though you haven't explained as to why Lennon deserves to be in the squad more than Milner. Riiiiiight. ... I have already explained why. But since you seem incapable of reading the thread let me repeat: The primary role of a wide midfielder is not "defensive duties" and Milner's "creativity going forward" is far less than Lennon's (Milner poses far less of an attacking threat). As for "work rate", I think that Capello, in relation to wide midfielders, is rather more interested in looking for attacking, game-changing players. Milner has 2 goals & 5 assists this season, compared to Lennons 2 goals & 3 assists - I wouldn't say that's "far less" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Jesus were a biased bunch on here, I love Milner but I'd take Lennon over Milner everyday. He used to be all pace but his final delivery has improved, so has his dribbling with the ball. SWP is awful, he just runs into people and gives the ball away, I like Lennon, very good player and exciting to watch, though a good point with Johnson going forward, would Milner be better defensively. I wouldn't even take Lennon or Milner If i'm honest, I'd go for Walcott just because his pure pace and suits the way England like to play and Beckham who has a great delivery if down in a game, can always bring him and Crouch on if you need a goal. On the left I'd take J.Cole and Ash Young. Right now if I was asked would I swap Lennon for Milner in the Villa team, it'd be a difficult one but with the way we play as a team with 2 out and out wingers running at defenders, I probably would yeah. I think there's cases for both players, Milner as an overall player is probably better, keeping the ball, defensive work, technique, versaitility, but Lennon's ability to beat players, go past players is also very good. I don't know, it's a difficult one, hard to compare as there different players. Lennon > SWP - Similar sort of players to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If he was as good as you think he is, he would be a big club. Not at a club who think being a big club is finishing 5 th and wining a poxy league cup Should I say the same about Milner or Young in relation to Villa finishing 6th and winning nowt? Personally I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If he was as good as you think he is, he would be a big club. Not at a club who think being a big club is finishing 5 th and wining a poxy league cup Should I say the same about Milner or Young in relation to Villa finishing 6th and winning nowt? Personally I don't think so. But we don't rate them as highly as your lot rate Lennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonSpur Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Milner has 2 goals & 5 assists this season, compared to Lennons 2 goals & 3 assists - I wouldn't say that's "far less" I don't know where you get your stats from, but they are wrong: Lennon has 5 assists. But in any case stats don't tell the whole story - for example they miss the way that Lennon pulls defenders out of position, causes panic and mayhem and thereby creates spaces and gaps for other attackers to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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