TrentVilla Posted August 24, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 24, 2011 He's a phenomenon, a goal scoring machine. Like him or not he's a tremendous goalscorer. No sorry I just don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 His record in the league since '01 has him at a goal every 194 minutes. A woeful league campaign last year though, and the first in 4 that he hasn't hit double figures. Scrutinise that record further, and a lot of his goals do come against weaker teams: That would be true of most strikers. You are not exactly blowing me away when suggesting that a striker scores more goals against crap defences and less against good sides. He's a decent striker but not a great one. Probably at his level at a club that finishes 5th to 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 True of most, yes, but for someone of Defoe's scoring record his effectiveness against the most competitive teams remains enough of a discrepancy to make it noteworthy, methinks. I have collated some statistics for comparison against players of the same era who have served a similar length of time in the Premiership. JERMAIN DEFOE 4 goals in 20 games vs. Manchester United = 20% 4 in 21 vs. Chelsea = 19% 2 in 17 vs. Arsenal = 12% 1 in 16 vs. Liverpool = 6% •15% strike rate against top 4 teams •Goal per 194 minutes •15 assists in 264 games (6%) ▲ - Better performance vs. Defoe ▼ - Worse performance vs. Defoe ▬ - Equal performance vs. Defoe DARREN BENT 3 in 12 vs. Manchester United = 25% 4 in 11 vs. Chelsea = 36% 6 in 10 vs. Arsenal = 60% 5 in 12 vs. Liverpool = 42% •40% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 177 minutes ▲ •15 assists in 206 games (7%) ▲ GABRIEL AGBONLAHOR 4 in 13 vs. Manchester United = 31% 2 in 11 vs. Chelsea = 18% 1 in 10 vs. Arsenal = 10% 1 in 11 vs. Liverpool = 9% •18% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 316 minutes ▼ •26 assists in 184 games (14%) ▲ ROBBIE KEANE 1 in 21 vs. Manchester United = 5% 2 in 17 vs. Chelsea = 12% 5 in 18 vs. Arsenal = 28% 5 in 11 vs. Liverpool = 45% •19% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 197 minutes ▼ •19 assists in 262 games (7%) ▲ CRAIG BELLAMY 3 in 12 vs. Manchester United = 25% 5 in 14 vs. Chelsea = 36% 1 in 13 vs. Arsenal = 8% 0 in 8 vs. Liverpool = 0% •19% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 253 minutes ▼ •16 assists in 184 games (9%) ▲ ANDY JOHNSON 0 in 6 vs. Manchester United = 0% 0 in 10 vs. Chelsea = 0% 2 in 10 vs. Arsenal = 20% 3 in 7 vs. Liverpool = 43% •15% strike rate against top 4 teams ▬ •Goal per 277 minutes ▼ •16 assists in 159 games (10%) ▲ PETER CROUCH 1 in 17 vs. Manchester United = 6% 2 in 26 vs. Chelsea = 8% 5 in 16 vs. Arsenal = 31% 1 in 8 vs. Liverpool = 13% •13% strike rate against top 4 teams ▼ •Goal per 246 minutes ▼ •31 assists in 249 games (12%) ▲ KEVIN DAVIES 1 in 19 vs. Manchester United = 5% 2 in 18 vs. Chelsea = 11% 1 in 18 vs. Arsenal = 6% 3 in 16 vs. Liverpool = 19% •10% strike rate against top 4 teams ▼ •Goal per 416 minutes ▼ •24 assists in 294 games (8%) ▲ AIYEGBENI YAKUBU 3 in 16 vs. Manchester United = 19% 3 in 14 vs. Chelsea = 21% 3 in 12 vs. Arsenal = 25% 0 in 11 vs. Liverpool = 0% •17% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 215 minutes ▼ •12 assists in 219 games (5%) ▼ JAMES BEATTIE 2 in 17 vs. Manchester United = 12% 0 in 0 vs. Chelsea = n/a 3 in 12 vs. Arsenal = 25% 0 in 0 vs. Liverpool = n/a •17% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 225 minutes ▼ •9 assists in 208 games (4%) ▼ CARLTON COLE 2 in 10 vs. Manchester United = 20% 0 in 7 vs. Chelsea = 0% 1 in 9 vs. Arsenal = 11% 2 in 13 vs. Liverpool = 15% •13% strike rate against top 4 teams ▼ •Goal per 288 minutes ▼ •23 assists in 208 games (11%) ▲ MARK VIDUKA 4 in 10 vs. Manchester United = 40% 1 in 11 vs. Chelsea = 9% 2 in 8 vs. Arsenal = 25% 1 in 9 vs. Liverpool = 11% •21% strike rate against top 4 teams ▲ •Goal per 225 minutes ▼ •9 assists in 169 games (5%) ▼ EMILE HESKEY 0 in 17 vs. Manchester United = 0% 4 in 20 vs. Chelsea = 20% 3 in 17 vs. Arsenal = 18% 0 in 11 vs. Liverpool = 0% •11% strike rate against top 4 teams ▼ •Goal per 386 minutes ▼ •16 assists in 283 games (6%) ▬ So despite having a superior goal per minute ratio (bettered only by Darren Bent 8)), of the 12 strikers listed above Defoe's performance against the top-quality opposition is bested by over half of them (and that's solely against an isolated demographic of strikers; I've specifically chosen to list only players of a comparable or near-comparable ability to Defoe and left the high-end strikers like Drogba, Rooney and v.Persie out). In fact, of the 5 strikers with a worse (or similar) strike rate against the top 4, all bar one do have a greater rate of creating chances than Defoe. The only striker from the entire list who is markedly worse than Defoe across all categories is *ahem* Emile Heskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I rate Defoe, but I don't think he is a phenomenom. My point is though, if Bent gets injured, I worry where the goals will come from, I don't think Heskey, Agbonlahor and Delfoneso (sp) can provide the club with enough. Plus the argument of 'he scores lots against the weak teams, and not many against the top teams' is true of pretty much every striker. The top teams have much better defences obviously. Incidentally he has 7 career goals against Aston Villa. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 24, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 24, 2011 Moving on from Defoe.... So Spurs (and Leyton Orient) have won a judgement in the High Court for a judicial review into the awarding of the Olympic stadium to West Ham... It is seems that they are also close to getting public funding for building their own new stadium in return for dropping the case. It will be bad enough the the public are funding West Ham's new stadium but to then be funding Spurs is even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted August 28, 2011 Moderator Share Posted August 28, 2011 I have to say I'm looking forward to the highlights of the City game later and the twitchathon that will be Harry's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villianusa Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I know it's early season and they have played the two Manchester teams but I am going to gloat while I can. :birthday: You are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Redknapp said Modric asked him before kickoff to leave him out Pathetic really, shows the player power in today's game. EDIT: Also confirmed VDV has torn his hamstring :X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Where is glaston to say these games dont actually count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to feel for Brad Friedel really. Shipped 8 goals in 2 matches but hardly put a foot wrong really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to feel for Brad Friedel really. Shipped 8 goals in 2 matches but hardly put a foot wrong really. cant be a coincidence Villa defence gets better and Spurs defence gets worse when he switches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to feel for Brad Friedel really. Shipped 8 goals in 2 matches but hardly put a foot wrong really. cant be a coincidence Villa defence gets better and Spurs defence gets worse when he switches lol that's a desperate dig at big Brad, I guess you haven't actually watched both games, have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 not really a dig no problem with Friedel, saw bits of game on monday and didnt see any of todays game. Just saying our defenders look better since he left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Nothing to do with him though. Also if it wasn't for him Tottenham would have got as many as Arsenal did today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to feel for Brad Friedel really. Shipped 8 goals in 2 matches but hardly put a foot wrong really. cant be a coincidence Villa defence gets better and Spurs defence gets worse when he switches The thing is, it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I'm sure that normal service will be resumed, but I am happy to see Tottenhamshit at the bottom. VDV torn a hamstring? Shame. The quicker they sell Modric the better. He is a twitchy faced cockdribbler is Redknapp, glad to watch you losing but no doubts they will spend £50 million before the window shuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Get in there you City boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunRickyRun Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 You have to feel for Brad Friedel really. Shipped 8 goals in 2 matches but hardly put a foot wrong really. cant be a coincidence Villa defence gets better and Spurs defence gets worse when he switches If there was ever a post to sum up why the t'internet is not the best place to discuss football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid4ever Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I have to say I'm looking forward to the highlights of the City game later and the twitchathon that will be Harry's face. Trent, I have missed you! Just remind me what has Harry ever done for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 I think Harry should become England manager after Euro 2012? Anyone agree? I also hope that Spurs do not sell Modric. It'd be good for the game if the club stand firm and refuse to sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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