AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Tired comment? What he said he was suprised because we LOOKED tired. Not ARE tired. That means we looked lathergic and let's be honest we did, If it's an excuse he says "It's been a long season and the players are a wee bit tired and we're suffering" Your actually taking his comments and using them in a different context to what he meant. we looked and we are tired are two completly different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulanddonya Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Tired comment? What he said he was suprised because we LOOKED tired. Not ARE tired. That means we looked lathergic and let's be honest we did, If it's an excuse he says "It's been a long season and the players are a wee bit tired and we're suffering" Your actually taking his comments and using them in a different context to what he meant. we looked and we are tired are two completly different things. I took it as 99% of people took it - "what an unbelievable thing to say after one game !" - sorry pride, but you are in the vast minority if you think there was nothing wrong with that. And todays was beyond belief. EDIT and before you say why would he know how many players xxx have got" The answer is simple - he is paid 2 million a year to know. By all knowledge he does not do the coaching and rarely visits Bodymoor. So if he isn't studying opposition and ways to improve us - what is he doing. He should look at everything. How many players to top clubs have, how many do the bottoms club have, is there a pattern, is the age of a squad relevant to league position, how many yards are covered on the pitch by a player - does this relate to injuries received (ie: overworked muscles) He as a manager of a top football club should know EVERYTHING. He doesn't (or shouldn't but I have a feeling he does !) do it himself. He should have a team of specialists looking into every area and feeding the data into him to analyse. And if he isn't - then we have hit the nail on the head why he cannot go further in modern day football ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I agree, today's comments about Squad size is very weird in terms of he should know that, most Villa fans know we use the least players!!! However I don't agree with the first comments or I at least don't agree he meant them in that fashion. It weren't said in a "Well we looked tired" as in he's saying the players are tired. Seemed more of a "We looked tired but I don't know why" sorta thing, he knows were not tired, he said it with confusement, "we looked tired but we're obviously not and I don't know why we did." remember, he did say, we looked tired and it was suprising after such a good pre-season which is basically saying he doesn't know why, there was no buzz about our play, it was all slow and lathergic which it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Tired comment? What he said he was suprised because we LOOKED tired. Not ARE tired. That means we looked lathergic and let's be honest we did, If it's an excuse he says "It's been a long season and the players are a wee bit tired and we're suffering" Your actually taking his comments and using them in a different context to what he meant. we looked and we are tired are two completly different things. I took it as 99% of people took it - "what an unbelievable thing to say after one game !" - sorry pride, but you are in the vast minority if you think there was nothing wrong with that. And todays was beyond belief. EDIT and before you say why would he know how many players xxx have got" The answer is simple - he is paid 2 million a year to know. By all knowledge he does not do the coaching and rarely visits Bodymoor. So if he isn't studying opposition and ways to improve us - what is he doing. He should look at everything. How many players to top clubs have, how many do the bottoms club have, is there a pattern, is the age of a squad relevant to league position, how many yards are covered on the pitch by a player - does this relate to injuries received (ie: overworked muscles) He as a manager of a top football club should know EVERYTHING. He doesn't (or shouldn't but I have a feeling he does !) do it himself. He should have a team of specialists looking into every area and feeding the data into him to analyse. And if he isn't - then we have hit the nail on the head why he cannot go further in modern day football ! Frankly, this is ludicrous. The point by AVFC about his comment being about looking tired is well made, and your claim that most people read it like you do, ie wrongly, is irrelevant. If you criticise something you have misunderstood, don't expect your criticism to be well received. You should accept that you misread it, not claim that "most people" read it likewise, trying to justify your wrong reading of the comment. Second, he's not paid to know the things you suggest. Blandy put it more eloquently and pointedly on another thread, but I am being to the point in saying your suggestion is nonsense. Third, your suggestion that he doesn't actually do any coaching or visit the training ground or really do anything much is also quite odd. You really need to support such a serious allegation with something more than "I have a feeling", which is all you come up with. Really, can't you do any better than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Really, can't you do any better than this? I suspect not, Peter. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slabsquare Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Stay. But he's got this season to prove he can adapt tactically, and get his act together in the transfer market (i.e. act more decisively and proactively, not sell the likes of Gary Cahill for no good reason, and not bring in flops and mediocrities like Knight and Harewood who take us backwards, not forwards). Otherwise he needs to do one. And we could do without the increasingly eccentric, vague and repetitive comments in the media - he is sounding more like his predecessor, Unctuous O'Slippery, by the day And, whereas we all worship at the altar of Randy, some clarification is now needed on ambition, the extent of future backing etc so that we can target our expectations accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeevilla Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Paulanddonya - you have misunderstood the "tired" comment. Please re-read what he said. He certainly wasn't saying the team was tired. (Pride of Brum has just explained the correct interpretation I think.) Using things you have misunderstood to criticise the manager is stretching the credibility of your arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondaken Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 It was blatantly obvious what he meant by his tired comment. It's baffling how so many people have gotten wound up about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Tired comment? What he said he was suprised because we LOOKED tired. Not ARE tired. That means we looked lathergic and let's be honest we did, If it's an excuse he says "It's been a long season and the players are a wee bit tired and we're suffering" Your actually taking his comments and using them in a different context to what he meant. we looked and we are tired are two completly different things. Exactly how I took it. I must be in the 'vast minority'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_loes Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Tired comment? What he said he was suprised because we LOOKED tired. Not ARE tired. That means we looked lathergic and let's be honest we did, If it's an excuse he says "It's been a long season and the players are a wee bit tired and we're suffering" Your actually taking his comments and using them in a different context to what he meant. we looked and we are tired are two completly different things. Just as a continuation of this O'Neil loves to play mind/word gameswith the media, whom he has a healthy disrespect for. After getting mauled at home by wigan he will say any glib nonsense just to make himself feel better. Dont get thinking Villa fans are owed an explanation about anything from him either. He can take some things quite personally as some Leicester fans who wrote to him will tell you. As for the squad number thing he may have kidded some of you and fooled some of the press but isnt kidding himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I wonder if we've ever had a manager that the fans didn't ultimately want sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I took it as 99% of people took it - Fact: 99% of people can be wrong, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycv Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I didn't think he meant the players were tired either. I think he was expressing surprise and disapointment that they played like they were tired. A world of difference. Perhaps we should have a poll to see if 99% of posters thought that he meant the players were tired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa_Rosa Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I took it as 99% of people took it - Fact: 99% of people can be wrong, Or, in this case, 26% of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is ''Vast Minority'' not a complete condradiction of terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 19, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2009 I wonder if we've ever had a manager that the fans didn't ultimately want sacked? Hopefully this one, but in all honesty with Doug Ellis at the helm we never really had a chance to build up enough hate. Did the fans want Ron Saunders to go? The number voting for MON to stay, we do have faith, just hope the figures do not change after Thursday . UTV :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieran84 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I wonder if we've ever had a manager that the fans didn't ultimately want sacked?No.Not in my time anyway, because most villa fans think we are a bigger club than we are,so they will never be happy,The only managers who can deliver what they want are the mourihnos of this world,And we can`t attract them because everyone on the outside sees us for what we are,A good size club who haven`t won anything in over a decade. If it was up to villa fans we would be exactly like newcastle united. This habit of changing manager every 2-3 seasons has to be broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted August 19, 2009 VT Supporter Share Posted August 19, 2009 ,A good size club who haven`t won anything in over a decade. Sounds a bit like Chelsea before mourihno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 ,A good size club who haven`t won anything in over a decade. Sounds a bit like Chelsea before mourihno I like the way you disregard the FA cup win against us. Tis true to an extent. But Chelsea had alot of £££ before Mourinho came in, and a much bigger following. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 ,A good size club who haven`t won anything in over a decade. Sounds a bit like Chelsea before mourihno eh? Mourinhio arrived at Chelsea in 2004 In the 10 years before him Chelsea won The FA Cup in 1997 and 2000 (and how could you forget that one!) The European Cup Winners cup in 1998 - and the subsequent Super cup Add to that a couple of FA cup runners up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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