paul514 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, useless said: We reportedly want to boost our home grown ranks that is very difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, VillaChris said: He's at Benfica so they'll be demanding 70m + no problem. Actually weren't we linked to Kokcu when he was at Feyenoord? He's more realistic and IIRC the reports at the time were he had a similar profile to SJM so that could be a smart signing. 100m plus Dunno on Kokcu, there are Feyenoord players though on my summer list in Wieffer and Geertruida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zatman Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, VillaChris said: He's at Benfica so they'll be demanding 70m + no problem. Actually weren't we linked to Kokcu when he was at Feyenoord? He's more realistic and IIRC the reports at the time were he had a similar profile to SJM so that could be a smart signing. Kokcu is struggling badly at Benfica and said it himself, looks like has now even been dropped from the starting team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, useless said: Never heard of him and no data to look at because he has played so little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Kokcu is struggling badly at Benfica and said it himself, looks like has now even been dropped from the starting team You just never know how players will pan out even at 22 years old and who look real quality. Gyorkares goes to Portugal from the Championship and becomes incredible. Kokcu goes to Portugal from Holland and struggles. No wonder so many transfers never come off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 38 minutes ago, useless said: Can't beat a good arseblaster. I've had many the following morning after a night out down the balti triangle. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, paul514 said: My recommendation for a DM was Mats Wieffer https://fbref.com/en/players/4876c9ab/scout/365_m2/Mats-Wieffer-Scouting-Report Very good player , would fit our style our play and much more realistic than Neves for sure ! Quote The Feyenoord midfielder possesses elite athleticism which he utilises to get back into good positions, support in all phases of play throughout the game, & press opponents. He savours his energy at times by staying in position to always have the capacity to sprint when needed. Wieffer has 9.47 ball recoveries (top 2%). His peripheral vision enables him to regain possession from loose balls to recycle the ball, he does this well in the attacking third which is a trait that’s valuable for a team that look to regain possession quickly & dominate it. At 23 years of age, he has shown glimpses of top ball-striking ability. He has a limited goal collection but within it has displayed great shooting technique, and if he can add more shots per 90 (currently 1.24) and from distance, then he’ll be able to show more of this ability. https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-mats-wieffer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, paul514 said: Not unless he took a massive cut, I agree. The fee couldn't be above 40 either He’ll be halfway through his 6 year deal this summer so £50mill left to amortise - can see them accepting a small hit on him to get his £300k + wages off the books. If he were to do a Coutihno and accept a vastly reduced salary to facilitate a move and then if Emery wants him back I’d be all for it. They say never go back but Cowans played for us on 3 separate occasions and Grealish is up there with our best ever talents we’ve ever produced and could become a club legend if he were to return and shine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, thabucks said: Very good player , would fit our style our play and much more realistic than Neves for sure ! https://breakingthelines.com/player-analysis/player-analysis-mats-wieffer/ He’s a slam dunk imo, worst that happens is we have a good back up that’s worth what he costs if you want to sell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 56 minutes ago, thabucks said: He’ll be halfway through his 6 year deal this summer so £50mill left to amortise - can see them accepting a small hit on him to get his £300k + wages off the books. If he were to do a Coutihno and accept a vastly reduced salary to facilitate a move and then if Emery wants him back I’d be all for it. They say never go back but Cowans played for us on 3 separate occasions and Grealish is up there with our best ever talents we’ve ever produced and could become a club legend if he were to return and shine. I don’t see it to be honest but they can have 40 off me and 150 for him on. 4 year and no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 hours ago, paul514 said: Miranda doesn't look special at all https://fbref.com/en/players/ead61f73/scout/365_m1/Juan-Miranda-Scouting-Report Neither does Hermoso (as a left sided centre back), we also have two of those https://fbref.com/en/players/555f3a0b/scout/365_m1/Mario-Hermoso-Scouting-Report#all_scout_summary Rodriguez looks like a good ball winner who can't do much when he wins the ball, he's 30 next week as well. https://fbref.com/en/players/34e393f2/scout/365_m1/Guido-Rodriguez-Scouting-Report Baena is an interesting player for wide midfield, but his defensive stats are awful, as a forward he is middling and of course we don't need any players there. https://fbref.com/en/players/518f2234/scout/365_m1/Alex-Baena-Scouting-Report#all_scout_summary Are you just looking at FBREF numbers and decreeing if a player is good or bad? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 hour ago, Tomaszk said: Are you just looking at FBREF numbers and decreeing if a player is good or bad? Obviously, the data recorded doesn’t lie. That is why all modern football scouting at the top level is done like this now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 4 hours ago, paul514 said: Obviously, the data recorded doesn’t lie. That is why all modern football scouting at the top level is done like this now Data doesnt take into account a lot of things. Players attitude, wages, adaptability and level of opposition Its why Monchi had hundreds of scouts at Sevilla 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I wonder if there’s a deal we could do with Archer for Arblaster given the buy back clause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Data doesnt take into account a lot of things. Players attitude, wages, adaptability and level of opposition Its why Monchi had hundreds of scouts at Sevilla No it doesn’t take into account everything, but it does take into account most things. So if the data is roughly right, you look into it. If it’s bad, you don’t bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 3 hours ago, thabucks said: I wonder if there’s a deal we could do with Archer for Arblaster given the buy back clause? They own the player, from what I have read we are obliged to buy him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 10 hours ago, paul514 said: Obviously, the data recorded doesn’t lie. That is why all modern football scouting at the top level is done like this now No. They don't look at a list of numbers and say ah look, this bloke has higher figures so he's better. That's very much not what they do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 hours ago, Zatman said: Data doesnt take into account a lot of things. Players attitude, wages, adaptability and level of opposition Its why Monchi had hundreds of scouts at Sevilla I thought that's what Lange did at villa, he brought in data analysts to support traditional scouting we will use both and no doubt we will have an absolutely insane amount of data on top of that we will then have our team tracking our own players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 15 hours ago, thabucks said: He’ll be halfway through his 6 year deal this summer so £50mill left to amortise - can see them accepting a small hit on him to get his £300k + wages off the books. If he were to do a Coutihno and accept a vastly reduced salary to facilitate a move and then if Emery wants him back I’d be all for it. They say never go back but Cowans played for us on 3 separate occasions and Grealish is up there with our best ever talents we’ve ever produced and could become a club legend if he were to return and shine. Have always felt Grealish's languid style is ideal for Emery. The way he carries the ball up the field is exactly what Emery has encouraged our players to do since he's been here. He'd be perfect when we're up against low blocks. Don't have a great deal of sympathy for him but he's been treated harshly by City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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