est1874 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: So I looked at the squad and players that need to move on. I've tried to calculate their 23/24 cost in terms of FFP to us in our accounts. I've then calculated sale values and then worked out the impact in 24/25 season ie the headroom it gives us. This gives us an idea of how much spending power we can free up to sign a new player. So a 40m signing being paid 6m a year for 5 years cost us 14m in squad cost per season. So essentially if we move the above on and loan Coutinho out again for his wages being paid we free up about 55m in our accounts. New contracts for Watkins and Bailey free's up about another 5m. Taking us to 60m. We add in some sales of KKH, Azaz and Iroegbunam say that adds another 10m. To take us to 70m. Selling players has to be the key focus right now. We have a good squad. A good Loan and 2 top signings in Summer and replace Olsen in a cost flat way. We'll do no incomings in Jan I feel. I think we could see a loan or two, and/or a new back-up keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Apparently, Manure are going to cancel the Amrabat loan. Could we take that on? Surely a better DM alternative than Dendoncker? Not sure what would be involved (inc cost and wages) but just something that caught my eye and a random suggestion. Has been highly rated for a while but I don’t know the terms on which Fiorentina allowed supposedly such an important player to leave… I really do think proper cover or competition for Bouba (our only quality out and out DM) would be really helpful. In the meantime, I suppose we will return to the Luiz and McGinn double pivot (should be good, both are so much better now too) while he is suspended but… we could do with options and the ability to rest players and play them in their best/preferred positions. John is one booking away from a suspension too… really hope he doesn’t miss that Boxing Day game - we need him. Oh Bouba… why did you have to get yourself sent off? I just feel, with Dendoncker’s limitations and Tielemans performing better in an attacking role, that we are light in central midfield and that could cause issues… we want to keep our better players relatively fresh and in form too rather than risking burning anyone out. McGinn’s energy is crucial… Maybe one or two intelligent loans alongside a permanent signing would be a good approach… Regardless, I’m not concerned as I’m confident we will only sign players that Unai himself wants and sees fitting into and helping the team/squad. We will do what is right… Glad our owners are nothing like people like Boehly and have given Unai control and freedom rather than interference… We won’t be reckless or waste money but… the right signings could give us a real boost and keep the “Villa Engine” running smoothly We could do with someone better and more adept than Cash… I don’t know about up front… I have to be honest and say that I like Duran and there are players such as Zaniolo (will improve further) and Diaby (will rediscover form and be a real asset) that could cover Ollie… decent CFs are so difficult to find these days. A top class LW could really enhance us though… give Ramsey time to rediscover full fitness & form. Competition is healthy too… look at what has happened to Bailey and Digne & Moreno… It’s so good to have the ability to do business from a position of strength, a good time and opportunity to help us continue to move in the right direction… We are surely a much more attractive proposition now too so players who may not have considered us or had second thoughts previously may reconsider now… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: So I looked at the squad and players that need to move on. I've tried to calculate their 23/24 cost in terms of FFP to us in our accounts. I've then calculated sale values and then worked out the impact in 24/25 season ie the headroom it gives us. This gives us an idea of how much spending power we can free up to sign a new player. So a 40m signing being paid 6m a year for 5 years cost us 14m in squad cost per season. So essentially if we move the above on and loan Coutinho out again for his wages being paid we free up about 55m in our accounts. New contracts for Watkins and Bailey free's up about another 5m. Taking us to 60m. We add in some sales of KKH, Azaz and Iroegbunam say that adds another 10m. To take us to 70m. Selling players has to be the key focus right now. We have a good squad. A good Loan and 2 top signings in Summer and replace Olsen in a cost flat way. We'll do no incomings in Jan I feel. I appreciate your work on this. I think you're on the money relatively 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, allani said: I agree with you. I think that Emery (and Monchi) will back themselves to find really good players in that price bracket and then turn them into players with a value in the second bracket - rather than going straight for the "elite" priced players. If so then it is still represents really good value for money. Also I think Emery wants players who put the team first and buy into his approach - which is generally a little bit easier to do if you are giving a player their big break rather than signing players who already believe that they are world class. I believe that Emery and Monchi want to build a legacy in the style of Wenger's Arsenal or to an extent Ferguson's United. Taking a club like Villa and turning them into genuine contenders is (I believe) more important to them than winning trophies with clubs like City, PSG, Real Madrid, etc. Similarly, I think they take great pride in seeing good players develop into great players - you can kind of tell that Emery loves McGinn and Luiz because he's got that pushy father type vibe when praising them "Yeah they were great today but it's about getting to the next level now". So I'm 100% sure the bulk of our transfers this window and going forwards will be done with that in mind. However, like you say a £5m player of 3 or 4 seasons ago is now more likely to be a £30-40m player. Yeah I agree it’s looking for those Doku potential type players at around 25-30m mark and then watch them flourish into a 55m-65m in a season or two, thats what we need to try and identify. Would love Nico Williams here so much go and pay whatever it is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, allani said: I agree with you. I think that Emery (and Monchi) will back themselves to find really good players in that price bracket and then turn them into players with a value in the second bracket - rather than going straight for the "elite" priced players. If so then it is still represents really good value for money. Also I think Emery wants players who put the team first and buy into his approach - which is generally a little bit easier to do if you are giving a player their big break rather than signing players who already believe that they are world class. I believe that Emery and Monchi want to build a legacy in the style of Wenger's Arsenal or to an extent Ferguson's United. Taking a club like Villa and turning them into genuine contenders is (I believe) more important to them than winning trophies with clubs like City, PSG, Real Madrid, etc. Similarly, I think they take great pride in seeing good players develop into great players - you can kind of tell that Emery loves McGinn and Luiz because he's got that pushy father type vibe when praising them "Yeah they were great today but it's about getting to the next level now". So I'm 100% sure the bulk of our transfers this window and going forwards will be done with that in mind. However, like you say a £5m player of 3 or 4 seasons ago is now more likely to be a £30-40m player. Aston Villa and its type, was always Unai's ideal fit.....The so called top clubs with their instant gratification and demands for immediate success, was never his bag. Unai is a builder and he likes players who buy in to his processes.....I think we will see that again in this window. I am not suggesting, rough diamonds that might take a season to develop, I am talking like Tielemans, players who just need a bit of fine tuning, and guidance to play in a system that extrapolates, their true potential. I think thats the kind of player, he will target. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Apparently, Manure are going to cancel the Amrabat loan. Could we take that on? Surely a better DM alternative than Dendoncker? Not sure what would be involved (inc cost and wages) but just something that caught my eye and a random suggestion. Has been highly rated for a while but I don’t know the terms on which Fiorentina allowed supposedly such an important player to leave… I really do think proper cover or competition for Bouba (our only quality out and out DM) would be really helpful. In the meantime, I suppose we will return to the Luiz and McGinn double pivot (should be good, both are so much better now too) while he is suspended but… we could do with options and the ability to rest players and play them in their best/preferred positions. John is one booking away from a suspension too… really hope he doesn’t miss that Boxing Day game - we need him. Oh Bouba… why did you have to get yourself sent off? I just feel, with Dendoncker’s limitations and Tielemans performing better in an attacking role, that we are light in central midfield and that could cause issues… we want to keep our better players relatively fresh and in form too rather than risking burning anyone out. McGinn’s energy is crucial… Maybe one or two intelligent loans alongside a permanent signing would be a good approach… Regardless, I’m not concerned as I’m confident we will only sign players that Unai himself wants and sees fitting into and helping the team/squad. We will do what is right… Glad our owners are nothing like people like Boehly and have given Unai control and freedom rather than interference… We won’t be reckless or waste money but… the right signings could give us a real boost and keep the “Villa Engine” running smoothly We could do with someone better and more adept than Cash… I don’t know about up front… I have to be honest and say that I like Duran and there are players such as Zaniolo (will improve further) and Diaby (will rediscover form and be a real asset) that could cover Ollie… decent CFs are so difficult to find these days. A top class LW could really enhance us though… give Ramsey time to rediscover full fitness & form. Competition is healthy too… look at what has happened to Bailey and Digne & Moreno… It’s so good to have the ability to do business from a position of strength, a good time and opportunity to help us continue to move in the right direction… We are surely a much more attractive proposition now too so players who may not have considered us or had second thoughts previously may reconsider now… Amrabat no chance, if i didn’t think he was nowhere near good enough for them at the time of signing then he's not good enough for us… not sure how players like that are ending up at United but im all for it … at the moment Cash, zaniolo and as it stands JJ are our weakest points in the team so we should be looking at bringing in someone for at least one of those positions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 47 minutes ago, RicRic said: at the moment Cash, zaniolo and as it stands JJ are our weakest points in the team Can I just clarify whether on JJ your ‘at the moment’ means ‘in about 2 games since he had 6 months out’? Because I’m otherwise in absolute shock someone would see him as a weak point. He’s a brilliant player who has consistently delivered for us and is still only 22. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Can I just clarify whether on JJ your ‘at the moment’ means ‘in about 2 games since he had 6 months out’? Because I’m otherwise in absolute shock someone would see him as a weak point. He’s a brilliant player who has consistently delivered for us and is still only 22. Yeh, that's a nonsense. JJ on the left, McGinn on the right of Luiz and Kamara is an outstanding midfield 4. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, RicRic said: Amrabat no chance, if i didn’t think he was nowhere near good enough for them at the time of signing then he's not good enough for us… not sure how players like that are ending up at United but im all for it … at the moment Cash, zaniolo and as it stands JJ are our weakest points in the team so we should be looking at bringing in someone for at least one of those positions I haven’t watched their games but know the player has been well rated for a long time and stood out at the Euros. As a backup to Kamara perhaps? Got to be better than Dendoncker and maybe more appealing if we manage to move him on (along with Chambers). Demands are probably too high anyway… but I just want another quality DM in the squad… would feel more confident and assured about the rest of the season. A superior RB who can aid rather than stymy our attacks (but can also defend well) would be very welcome too. I think those are the areas of need (other than a proper back up GK but I don’t think that will happen and Olsen has possibly improved) so anything beyond that would be a bonus or extra touch of magic… I think we can alway improve our attack but it doesn’t seem necessary or urgent… we share the goals around quite well. Play such good football. Regardless, I’m confident that we will only bring in anyone that Unai himself actually wants and rates so…best to do the following: Very relaxed about our situation, trust in King Unai. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Jas10 said: Apparently, Manure are going to cancel the Amrabat loan. Could we take that on? Surely a better DM alternative than Dendoncker? Stopped reading mate after that. Amrabat looks so far out of his depth at this level that Dendoncker looks quality compared to him….even Keinan Davis looks a good footballer compared to him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, nick76 said: Stopped reading mate after that. Amrabat looks so far out of his depth at this level that Dendoncker looks quality compared to him….even Keinan Davis looks a good footballer compared to him I don’t have much knowledge or insight on him/them but… Manure play like… well, manure… so, difficult for anyone to really excel there? That’s certainly a damning verdict on him there maybe I shall say no more! Just something I spotted and thought I’d suggest. More and better options out there for sure but a few low cost loans may be appealing to either save funds or put them toward a big signing perhaps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, RicRic said: Amrabat no chance, if i didn’t think he was nowhere near good enough for them at the time of signing then he's not good enough for us… not sure how players like that are ending up at United but im all for it … at the moment Cash, zaniolo and as it stands JJ are our weakest points in the team so we should be looking at bringing in someone for at least one of those positions But…but…didn’t he tackle Mbappe once in the World Cup? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, nick76 said: Stopped reading mate after that. Amrabat looks so far out of his depth at this level that Dendoncker looks quality compared to him….even Keinan Davis looks a good footballer compared to him Back to Merino and Zubimendi then but… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 15 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Sounds fishy Now you could have set off a whole csn of worms! Which of course can be used to go fishing, unless you’re a fly fisherman like me, ie. A proper fisherman! Who doesn’t mess about with such things but finds plenty of things to mess about with anyway as any fly fisherman would happily admit! Which brings me to what I once heard from a bloke working in a big fishing shop in Inverness, “All fishermen are idiots, all golfers are also idiots too but they’re idiots who can’t fish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Rodriquez at Real Betis or Vermeeren at Royal Antwerp for me for Kamara comp/cover. Guido Rodriquez is in the last year of his contract so wouldn’t be a huge fee and Vermeeren has a £13m-£17m release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, MaVilla said: Gala said it themselves, its on the interwebz. so if we did buy, its base 27.5m (loan plus fee). obviously, add ons of 15.5m, could take it to 43m. 27.5 including the loan fee and in euros. Edited December 21, 2023 by MotoMkali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero7 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 4 hours ago, CVByrne said: So I looked at the squad and players that need to move on. I've tried to calculate their 23/24 cost in terms of FFP to us in our accounts. I've then calculated sale values and then worked out the impact in 24/25 season ie the headroom it gives us. This gives us an idea of how much spending power we can free up to sign a new player. So a 40m signing being paid 6m a year for 5 years cost us 14m in squad cost per season. So essentially if we move the above on and loan Coutinho out again for his wages being paid we free up about 55m in our accounts. New contracts for Watkins and Bailey free's up about another 5m. Taking us to 60m. We add in some sales of KKH, Azaz and Iroegbunam say that adds another 10m. To take us to 70m. Selling players has to be the key focus right now. We have a good squad. A good Loan and 2 top signings in Summer and replace Olsen in a cost flat way. We'll do no incomings in Jan I feel. Can't beat a good excel, my only concern would be selling Digne without another really good LB coming in, showed how light we are in the FB positions once Moreno got injured. Also, just like to say Digne has bene exceptional and one of our most consistent performers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) On the subject of RB and after extensive research, I googled him, I’m on the Frimpong express train to glory as he can also add to our midfield too. If we can do the right deals to make it doable? Edited December 21, 2023 by DaveAV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) For me Geertruida is really who we want at RB. Can cover CB and CM pretty well. Really good goal threat, decent playmaker too and a really good passer especially in terms of progressing the ball up the field. Can either stay as the 3rd man in the back 3 in a 3-2-5 attacking shape or invert as the 3rd man in midfield in a more aggressive attack. Edited December 21, 2023 by MotoMkali 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: On the subject of RB and after extensive research, I googled him, I’m on the Frimpong express train to glory as he can also add to our midfield too. If we can do the right feels to make it doable? He's not coming in Jan. Leverkusen are top of the bundesliga and his buyout clause doesn't activate until the summer. He also probably wouldn't come in the summer given how desirable he is but we'd have a shot then. Edited December 21, 2023 by MotoMkali 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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