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The General FFP (Financial Fair Play) Thread


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53 minutes ago, ender4 said:

It’s funny that we both read the same articles and have interpreted it completely different.  
 

As far as I can tell, and I’m pretty confident that is what The Times and The Athletic are trying to say, is that this new fixed cap will REPLACE the 85% PSR limits. The key word there in both articles is the word “replace”.   
 

Of course, they might be wrong themselves, but that is what they are telling us.  In my interpretation of course.

Ultimately the 85% doesn’t matter, as we will need to comply with the European cap, whatever that is, assuming we are in Europe or aiming to be there again the season after failure.

There will be 2 limiting factors, the hard cap in the league at home, and the percentage cap in Europe.

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11 minutes ago, bobzy said:

I think you're missing what OP is saying.  It isn't "£400m on transfers", it's "£400m on everything including transfers (amortised) and wages and staff costs and buying toilet roll and..."

It’s this, or if you are in Europe, the lesser of this or ultimately 70% of your turnover.

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Just now, MaVilla said:

how on earth is it fair or reasonable for clubs in Europe to have to reach a 70% cap, while all the other non european teams can go to 85%?

thats mental.

Because teams in Europe get more revenue so spending a lower ratio "evens the field" a little bit more

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4 minutes ago, bobzy said:

Because teams in Europe get more revenue so spending a lower ratio "evens the field" a little bit more

maybe clubs in the CL it might even it, but i doubt Europa or Conference would?, they money isnt large in Europa, and its pennies in reality for the Conference League.

u club with a turnover of 300m, 85% is 255m, 70% is 210m, so a 45m difference, only the CL could have a chance of making that difference up, and if you dont get out of the groups, i doubt you could pull in 45m in prize money etc?

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1 hour ago, ender4 said:

It’s funny that we both read the same articles and have interpreted it completely different.  
 

As far as I can tell, and I’m pretty confident that is what The Times and The Athletic are trying to say, is that this new fixed cap will REPLACE the 85% PSR limits. The key word there in both articles is the word “replace”.   
 

Of course, they might be wrong themselves, but that is what they are telling us.  In my interpretation of course.

I get what you mean in how they can be perceived both ways, and some articles are definitely saying it like you're interpreting it (like the BBC), hence why we've both been confused all day! I've found that The Guardian takes the winners medal for being the least ambiguous about its claims.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/29/majority-of-premier-league-clubs-vote-in-favour-of-exploring-spending-cap-plans

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The Premier League hopes to put a full set of new financial regulations to the vote at its AGM in June. The league has agreed to go ahead with controls that would limit clubs’ spending on player-related costs to 85% of their revenues (or 70% in the case of clubs playing in Europe). These “squad cost ratios” would run alongside anchoring, if approved.

I think it's a case of we'll have to see what happens in June when it's all formalised: it clearly hasn't been very well communicated in the press releases that have been going round!

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8 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

maybe clubs in the CL it might even it, but i doubt Europa or Conference would?, they money isnt large in Europa, and its pennies in reality for the Conference League.

u club with a turnover of 300m, 85% is 255m, 70% is 210m, so a 45m difference, only the CL could have a chance of making that difference up, and if you dont get out of the groups, i doubt you could pull in 45m in prize money etc?

But if you're not in Europe at all and are a smaller club with, say, £120m turnover then it makes the league slightly more competitive in terms of being able to spend a bit more.  It won't bridge the gap to the large sides, but it helps a bit.

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IIf I look at that chart that Maguire tweeted it's all about certain levels and current squad strength as well. So we can spend £211m compared to, say, Everton who can spend £250m, or Brentford who can spend £353m.

However, for what these clubs need to spend to get to where we are you'd say they'll get short changed, whereas for our £211m and the revenue from CL, Adidas and Betano sponsorship and more, we can buy fewer players but higher quality as the squad is at such a higher level, along with a higher level manager and coaching staff. We've players out long term to come back as well. We're now at the level in fairness Spurs should have been over the period it's took us to get up and get to this level of competing, ie great squad and now can have a summer and January strategy. Hell we've shown this season we have... A couple of big deals in the summer and look at gems in January.

The plan is in place, as shown this season by the Don and Monchi. They won't be phased by these new changes. They've an obvious plan. Rogers is proof of that.

And if you're a player. Do you join champions league Aston Villa and play for Emery or Everton and Dyche or Brentford and Frank having seen how much Emery improves you as a player. Look at Ollie, Dibu, Dougie, the quick rise of Rogers JJ, I could go on.

We'll be fine.

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17 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

how on earth is it fair or reasonable for clubs in Europe to have to reach a 70% cap, while all the other non european teams can go to 85%?

thats mental.

I guess because UEFA see clubs competing in Europe as a sides who get more global exposure, TV money, hence the knocking of more revenue compared to sides outside europe. Surely the UEFA cap should be based on having the players you register for their competitions wage cap equal 70% but you can have the 85% for domestic competition? That to me is a balanced compromise.

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36 minutes ago, bobzy said:

I think you're missing what OP is saying.  It isn't "£400m on transfers", it's "£400m on everything including transfers (amortised) and wages and staff costs and buying toilet roll and..."

Ah that's okay NSWE will just buy Costco and we'll have as much bog roll in bulk as we want.

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I don’t see how this rule change can be bad for Villa in the long run. The 70% Europe versus 85% non Europe cap was already in place as far as I know so no new downside there. Smaller clubs might have a chance to make up ground in the short term but this change should ultimately improve our chances of catching the top clubs. A levelling of the financial playing field should benefit the traditional big clubs with strong fanbases in my opinion, such as Villa, Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle. As things were before money became the dominant factor. Good ownership, management, scouting, coaching, youth, infrastructure, etc. would be the other differentiators. I think we are well set up to benefit from this long term. I’m conscious we seem to have voted against it though so curious to hear more. 

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7 hours ago, Czarnikjak said:

No, he got few things wrong there. He forgot about 85% limit for clubs that don't qualify for Europe.

Also, when he says "to spend £400m on transfers" this is plainly wrong. There's no limit on "transfers"...only squad costs (wages, amortisation and agent fees)

Also, his argument is self-refuting. Even if the 85% squad cost-revenue didn't exist, what would be the point of Bournemouth spending £400m on squad costs, finishing 7th, and then having to sell all their best players just to enter UEFA competition? 

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19 minutes ago, alreadyexists said:

I’m baffled… is this good or bad for us? Or do we not know yet? 

As we voted against it I guess we are not happy with it.

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25 minutes ago, alreadyexists said:

I’m baffled… is this good or bad for us? Or do we not know yet? 

There are 2 parts to this new regulations:

1. Anchor Cap - this can only be good for us and 90% of Premier League

2. 85-70 Cap - good for our owners wallets, bad for our competitiveness 

Both statements apply only to our current situation, and could change as our situation changes.

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12 hours ago, sidcow said:

Plenty on here would love that. Week after week of getting absolutely smashed by the "glamour" clubs with zero chance of actually winning anything.  But we get to watch Real and Bayern at Villa Park so that's OK. 

We beat a few of the glamour clubs this season already.

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