Jareth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 x5 very winnable home fixtures for English clubs next week, while Germans have x2 similar games. Reckon we get very close to them at close of play next Thursday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, fightoffyour said: Well yes but going through gives you the possibility of earning more points in the next round and it prevents the other team from doing so, which is particularly important in West Ham's case. But I hadn't considered the value of Brighton getting a win (or even a draw) at home despite the tie being almost over, in fact such a heavy loss away will make it easier if anything for them to get a positive result in the return fixture because Roma will know that it's practically irrelevant to them. We need Freiburg out. It's pretty key. Dortmund will go through. Leverkusen and Bayern are though and can go deep. If we get Germany down to three teams left. Our issue is our total is divided by 8 and Germany's is divided by 7 as is Italy. So our wins are worth less than theirs. If West Ham go out we have 4/8 left and Germany have 4/7 and are already ahead on points. It's bad siatuaion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, S-Platt said: Don't forget Arsenal have not played their 2nd Leg yet expect them to turn it round next week. You'd expect so but I never trust them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 If we assume Brighton are out at 4-0 down then best case scenario next week we get 5 teams through and are looking good. Worst case scenario we are left with just Liverpool and Man City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, villan95 said: If we assume Brighton are out at 4-0 down then best case scenario next week we get 5 teams through and are looking good. Worst case scenario we are left with just Liverpool and Man City Brighton might not go threw but can still earn points with a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan95 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, S-Platt said: Brighton might not go threw but can still earn points with a win. Yeah hopefully they can still get some points before they exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 I'd say it's about 55/45 in England's favour to get that spot over Germany. If West Ham do the job next week I'd make it 70/30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: We need Freiburg out. It's pretty key. Dortmund will go through. Leverkusen and Bayern are though and can go deep. If we get Germany down to three teams left. Our issue is our total is divided by 8 and Germany's is divided by 7 as is Italy. So our wins are worth less than theirs. If West Ham go out we have 4/8 left and Germany have 4/7 and are already ahead on points. It's bad siatuaion Dortmund are hopeless, wouldnt be surprised if go out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted March 8 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8 Do you get more points for a win the further you progress in a competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 12 minutes ago, villarule123 said: I'd say it's about 55/45 in England's favour to get that spot over Germany. If West Ham do the job next week I'd make it 70/30 It's currently like 80% for England to get it. This system is flawed anyway. Countries are punished for being group leaders and losing a potential game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Do you get more points for a win the further you progress in a competition? 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and then bonus points for round progression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, villan-scott said: It’s the Italian and German teams ahead of us we need to worry about. Germany currently only have 4 left. Hopefully West Ham turn it round vs Freiburg second leg. We only need to worry about one of them, there is two extra spots up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, omariqy said: 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw and then bonus points for round progression Effectively there are 5 points to play for in each game. 2 each for the 2 legs for winning and 1 to win the overall tie. These points available are then divided by number of teams originally in the competitions for that nation. Therefore the below is the breakdown Wins England - 0.25 Italy and Germany - 0.29 Draw England - 0.125 Italy and Germany - 0.143 Round Progression England - 0.125 Italy and Germany - 0.143 Edited March 8 by omariqy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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useless Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just get the the b*****d top four and don't worry about this coefficient placings bullsh*t, if we can only get into Champions League by finishing fifth then probably going to struggle big time anyway, top four will have meant we will have had a good end to the season and carry that momentum into next season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: It's currently like 80% for England to get it. This system is flawed anyway. Countries are punished for being group leaders and losing a potential game. Don't think this is correct. a] You get more points for winning your group and b] the games in between group stage and last 16 don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 58 minutes ago, bobzy said: the games in between group stage and last 16 don't count. They do. Edited March 8 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, villan-scott said: It’s the Italian and German teams ahead of us we need to worry about. Germany currently only have 4 left. Hopefully West Ham turn it round vs Freiburg second leg. I very much doubt Freiburg will get to the final of the Europa. Dortmund are a very very average team these days, just got a light draw in CL but will lose to anyone decent in quarters. Frankfurt already out of our competition and RB Leipzig went out of CL the other night. I think England and Italy will get the two spots this season as can see likes of Roma and Atalanta going deep in Europa League and Fiorentina are still very dangerous in Conference league given they reached the final last year. Just looking at the current rankings and the gap is 50 points? So hardly anything in it and Liverpool and Man. City will likely both breeze through to their respective finals. Edited March 8 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: I very much doubt Freiburg will get to the final of the Europa. Dortmund are a very very average team these days, just got a light draw in CL but will lose to anyone decent in quarters. Frankfurt already out of our competition and RB Leipzig went out of CL the other night. I think England and Italy will get the two spots this season as can see likes of Roma and Atalanta going deep in Europa League and Fiorentina are still very dangerous in Conference league given they reached the final last year. Just looking at the current rankings and the gap is 50 points? So hardly anything in it and Liverpool and Man. City will likely both breeze through to their respective finals. Gap is about 0.9 between us and Germany. Equivalent of 3 more wins and some bonus points for progressing to the next round. Next week if we see a West Ham win and them going through then that should mean 0.325 of that being made up, with all else being equal. We could do with Brighton winning the home league at the very least and the rest all going through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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