MikeMcKenna Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) In the 20 years from 1990 to 2010 we had seven managers, who enjoyed some respectable positions in the league and league cup wins. In the last 12 years we have had nine managers and next to no success apart from cup runners up and promotion via the Championship play offs. Supposedly one of the ‘sleeping giants’ it is like we have fallen into a coma. Gerrard is almost certainly finished and in my opinion our current owners don’t have much to crow about. What is it going to take to wake us up? Edited September 2, 2022 by MikeMcKenna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) Because of how bad the entire game is at the minute, I don’t think we ever will. There just isn’t any room for us to succeed. Edited September 2, 2022 by Tayls 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaVilla Posted September 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) Genuinely. A better manager (ie: a genuinely top level manager, or a manager that has the ability to actually move us onwards and upwards). Better recruitment & scouting (although we have actually had high levels of investment in the squad, it has been very hit and miss, with some real hits, but also some huge misses, we have also missed out on many good players that teams around us seem to be able to pluck from nowhere, where we seem unable to do so). I really do think the infrastructure and investment has been there/is there, i just think we are failing on those two key points i noted above. Edited September 2, 2022 by MaVilla 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laurus Posted September 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2022 We haven't had a manager anyone would call "world class" for a long time, and honestly I think that's the last piece of the puzzle. We have a great squad, great owners, good staff, facilities and a fantastic ground. If we managed to get Pochettino in within the next month I'd say we still have a chance of challenging for Europe with this squad. Under Gerrard though? Forget it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) better scouting Better recruiting. better player sales Better commercial Income. better marketing better city investment and time to do all this Edited September 3, 2022 by CarryOnVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Our chance was 20/21. Had a good thing going that season with rock solid defence and we were above Arsenal up to about March so had a really good chance to finish above them and Spurs which would've been a big statement. Now both are miles ahead of us again. Simply didn't strengthen enough that January given Sanson has ultimately been a waste of a signing. So Grealish centric we simply didn't have any sort of plan for him not being around when injured or ultimately sold. This was the table after beating Arsenal 1-0 on Feb 6th 2021: Aston Villa 1-0 Arsenal: Keeper Mat Ryan concedes 74 seconds into Gunners debut - BBC Sport 8th in the table, one point off Chelsea who finished top 4 that season and above North London. That was our chance and as we've seen regularly in last 25 years you don't take it and other clubs will quickly regroup and speed past you. Arsenal 11 looked very average but 18 months on they have a very exciting team again. Perhaps if we'd finished 7th someone like Ward Prowse would've been more keen to move to us. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 27 minutes ago, Tayls said: Because of how bad the entire game is at the minute, I don’t think we ever will. There just isn’t any room for us to succeed. I think this is pretty much spot on. The game has indeed gone. The big boys are settled, they have their roles, and to teams like Villa are just extras. Faceless enemies that occasionally acts as bumps in the road as All or Nothing docu-dramas tries to compete with the other big boys but somehow loses the odd game to us. We have been left behind, and the anger among us in the fanbase is just the pain of this dawning on us. Newcastle MIGHT so something if they find ways to use their unlimited money cheat code without FFP issues. We're no longer a giant, sleeping or not. We're dead. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJim Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 Get a progressive manager in. Get Jack back. Consolidate mid table for a season or two. Start bringing through our amazing youngsters. And we'll be a match for anybody. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2022 We get the Manager we should have had post MON and we come out of the coma. It's that simple. We woke up for a while when getting promoted but have relapsed somewhat. The simple and only solution is bring in the individual who can turn average players into good players and good players into world beaters and we wake. Keep employing average managers and we'll continue in the slumber. We ned to aim above our current station, pay whatever necessary and bring a manager in that can hold court over the whole of the club. No fanny merchants, experiments, rookies or up and comers. We have a decent squad, decent youth system, great fan base, unbelievable temple to worship. We just need the composer to get the orchestra playing the way we need to. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, daft said: I think this is pretty much spot on. The game has indeed gone. The big boys are settled, they have their roles, and to teams like Villa are just extras. Faceless enemies that occasionally acts as bumps in the road as All or Nothing docu-dramas tries to compete with the other big boys but somehow loses the odd game to us. We have been left behind, and the anger among us in the fanbase is just the pain of this dawning on us. Newcastle MIGHT so something if they find ways to use their unlimited money cheat code without FFP issues. We're no longer a giant, sleeping or not. We're dead. What a crock of shit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: We have a decent squad, decent youth system, great fan base, unbelievable temple to worship. We just need the composer to get the orchestra playing the way we need to. https://giphy.com/gifs/vflwolfsburg-vfl-vflgif-wolfsburg-LS3wUrZ126EGjlMsLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Was Big Ron the last manager we appointed who had won trophies in top flight English football? As others have said we need a top quality manager to replace Gerrard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 54 minutes ago, Tayls said: Because of how bad the entire game is at the minute, I don’t think we ever will. There just isn’t any room for us to succeed. I disagree. There are three clubs capable of breaking into the elite: Villa, Everton, and Newcastle. Just add money and wisdom. Everton spent the money (more than Liverpool) but didn't spend it wisely and is suffering. Newcastle is spending money, spending it wisely, and is on the way up. We've spent some and will probably spent more, but we're at a critical juncture. NSWE better make some good decisions over the next few years or we'll be more like Everton than Newcastle. I think that most of us know what decision #1 is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I'll add that, unlike other leagues, England has never had a big 1 (Germany), 2 (Spain), or 3 (Italy). It's always been a big 4, 5, or 6, and the group has been in flux over time. With Man U in chaos and Chelsea in transition, it isn't a bad time for someone to move up. Let's also not forget that we outperformed Spurs over the first 20 or so years of the PL era. If anyone can be picked off and replaced, it's them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I sadly fear that I won't see villa back in the glory days of finishing in European spot or win a trophy; in my lifetime. The gulf between the top 6 and us use just too much, it will either be mid table obscurity it relegation battles in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, mykeyb said: Was Big Ron the last manager we appointed who had won trophies in top flight English football? As others have said we need a top quality manager to replace Gerrard. Houllier had but he was pretty much the managerial equivalent of signing Ginola or Pires, miles past his peak. Might've worked out with him if he'd come in summer 2006 instead of O'Neill as he was doing alright with Lyon at the time. O'Neill won two league cups at Leicester aswell so he was certainly the last managerial appointment that massively excited the fanbase and also wider football world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, supermon said: I sadly fear that I won't see villa back in the glory days of finishing in European spot or win a trophy; in my lifetime. The gulf between the top 6 and us use just too much, it will either be mid table obscurity it relegation battles in the premier league. We were in a major cup final all of three years ago. Just got to actually turn up on the day for once and play lights out (second half v Man. City we actually gave it a go but as ever with us we were too tentative first 30 minutes and they quickly got into 2-0 lead via ridiculous corner award). Our nearest and dearest have done it in recent times which was embarrassing at the time but thankfully they've imploded since and won't be happening again. I remember watching it and deep down having a grudging respect for how they played v Arsenal on the day as they believed they could win it from first minute, dug in and got the luck right at the end. Then we played like we did v similar Arsenal 11 in 2015..... Winning a cup can be done if we have a decent squad, get some luck with the draw and then really really believe on the day. Don't see why we can't have a good european run either given how strong the premier league is now. Leicester have done both in last two years albeit they're now on a massive comedown. Edited September 3, 2022 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, VillaChris said: We were in a major cup final all of three years ago. Just got to actually turn up on the day for once and play lights out (second half v Man. City we actually gave it a go but as ever with us we were too tentative first 30 minutes and they quickly got into 2-0 lead via ridiculous corner award). Our nearest and dearest have done it in recent times which was embarrassing at the time but thankfully they've imploded since and won't be happening again. I remember watching it and deep down having a grudging respect for how they played v Arsenal on the day as they believed they could win it from first minute, dug in and got the luck right at the end. Then we played like we did v similar Arsenal 11 in 2015..... Winning a cup can be done if we have a decent squad, get some luck with the draw and then really really believe on the day. Don't see why we can't have a good european run either given how strong the premier league is now. Leicester have done both in last two years albeit they're now on a massive comedown. Major cup final? You mean the one everyone plays there kids in until the semi final. It’s a nothing cup that one I’d rather finish in the top 10 than win it. Edited September 3, 2022 by zab6359 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Not downhearted at all just annoyed we havent changed manager yet. We have good players and owners thats the most important thing. Lots of big clubs go through terrible decades, Look at Liverpool and hopefully ManU. These opportunities of having money to spend and good players already in the building dont come around very often for football clubs. Its why I am in such a rush for us to get in a good manager. The owners might get bored next season, we dont know. The time to push up the table is now. We have all the right ingredients, we just need a good chef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BigJim said: Get a progressive manager in. Get Jack back. Consolidate mid table for a season or two. Start bringing through our amazing youngsters. And we'll be a match for anybody. We had a chance at the end of the last two seasons to play youngsters more. Our managers kept losing, and player senior non performing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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