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The Kinahan Cartel is now in the crosshairs of American law enforcement.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2022/04/14/daniel-kinahan-sanctioned-u-s-treasury-accused-organized-crime/7296908001/

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Daniel Kinahan escaped attempted murder by members of a rival gang family during a boxing weigh-in six years ago.

The accused Irish cartel leader — undeterred by the hitmen's AK-47s — continued to rise in the boxing world. He has since assembled a world-class stable of champions and elite contenders routinely showcased on ESPN.

This week, however, Kinahan returned to the crosshairs when the U.S. Department of Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control announced a $5 million bounty on him and six others accused of organized crime. The department also introduced sanctions for those conducting business with Dubai-based Kinahan, who has influenced the careers of heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, undisputed 140-pound champion Josh Taylor and former super-middleweight champion Billy Joe Saunders.

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I cant understand why repeat offenders keep going back to prison.Dont they realise how much they are missing out on from being locked up ? Well, maybe not all that much.

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5 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

No idea who Kinahan is but I hate the way gangsters can often be somewhat revered and romanticised.  They’re pricks. 

Completely agree. Posted this thread because finally these words removed are getting taken down.

respect the bravery of the police and journalists who have risked death going after these scumbags

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Couldn't tell you who this fighter is, but this was quite fun to watch. 

Combat sports are in serious need of reform and I hope we get to see many more squirm on our way there.

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1 hour ago, KentVillan said:

Also FWIW, the more you look into groups like this, the more it makes you wonder if total legalisation of drugs is the solution. Anybody who wants to try drugs - *any* drug - nowadays can get their hands on it with fairly little effort. So the supply is there already.

But the risks - unpayable debts, contaminated supply, drug-related violence, political corruption, reluctance to seek treatment, tax evasion, money laundering, etc - are largely only there because of illegality.

 

I guess the only way to know if that is the answer is to look for other comparable things.

Where there are legal alcohol outlets, legal gambling options and legal firearms, is there still a trade in the illegal stuff?

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A friend of mine lives in Toronto and he never buys his drugs from dispensaries, only ever from a dealer as the price of government dispensaries is through the roof. 

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43 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

 

I guess the only way to know if that is the answer is to look for other comparable things.

Where there are legal alcohol outlets, legal gambling options and legal firearms, is there still a trade in the illegal stuff?

Alcohol is not a major source of revenue for organised crime afaik?

Gambling is a different thing I think, because it is so inherently vulnerable to illegal activity and money laundering, and there are so many different jurisdictions which interact (ie foreigners can bet on your domestic competitions).

Firearms the illegal activity happens in legalised settings because there is a dual purpose for firearms - legitimate defence / security / policing vs criminal aggression, and in the latter case there is an incentive to disguise where the weapons have come from.

So I think it’s only alcohol & cigarettes where the parallel is relevant. Yes there is an illegal trade, but people aren’t building massive criminal empires around it.

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45 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

A friend of mine lives in Toronto and he never buys his drugs from dispensaries, only ever from a dealer as the price of government dispensaries is through the roof. 

Ok but we’re presumably talking about weed here, which again isn’t a major source of revenue for organised crime, and isn’t usually cut in dangerous ways by small scale local dealers.

The lucrative trafficking networks are specialising in cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine, and this would need to be dealt with on an international basis to understand what legalisation might actually look like.

Those drugs are dangerous to buy on the streets as they are usually only 10-50% pure, and paying a bit extra for a legally sold substance would probably be much more attractive.

I’m not totally convinced legalisation is the answer, but you look at the activities of the Kinahans, who have flooded Ireland and the UK with cocaine and you wonder if we’ve crossed the rubicon already in terms of availability.

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56 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

 

I guess the only way to know if that is the answer is to look for other comparable things.

Where there are legal alcohol outlets, legal gambling options and legal firearms, is there still a trade in the illegal stuff?

Portugal has legalised all drugs.

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Just now, Mr_Dogg said:

They have decriminalised drugs.

They have, yes.

How would you get hold of some ket in Portugal without the involvement of criminal gangs?

I’m no expert but I think they’ve decriminalised the personal use and possession, not supply. They do not have legal dispensary, to the best of my knowledge?

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