VillaChris Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Everyone slagging them off and they'll probably finish 6th again. I'd back them to beat Chelsea and Man. United at home in the run in with the state those two are in, maybe Newcastle away aswell. Edited April 4 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, VillaChris said: Everyone slagging them off and they'll probably finish 6th again. I'd back them to beat Chelsea and Man. United at home in the run in with the state those two are in, maybe Newcastle away aswell. Great so thats Spurs, United and now Brighton people predicting to finish over us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, VillaChris said: Everyone slagging them off and they'll probably finish 6th again. I'd back them to beat Chelsea and Man. United at home in the run in with the state those two are in, maybe Newcastle away aswell. Don't think people are slagging them off. It's this hilarious myth that De Zerbi is a great manager, which Liverpool are hopefully falling for. Graham Potter built this team, the philosophy and the way they play. They've actually regressed since De Zerbi came in; and could easily finish 10-12th this season Edited April 5 by pas5898 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 35 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Don't think people are slagging them off. It's this hilarious myth that De Zerbi is a great manager, which Liverpool are hopefully falling for. Graham Potter built this team, the philosophy and the way they play. They've actually regressed since De Zerbi came in; and could easily finish 10-12th this season Curious as to how they've regressed? Under Potter, they finished as high as 9th. Under De Zerbi, they finished 6th last season and are currently... 9th. Which part of this is the regression bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, pas5898 said: Don't think people are slagging them off. It's this hilarious myth that De Zerbi is a great manager, which Liverpool are hopefully falling for. Graham Potter built this team, the philosophy and the way they play. They've actually regressed since De Zerbi came in; and could easily finish 10-12th this season Potter finished 16th twice and was averaging 9 wins a season He built nothing either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 59 minutes ago, bobzy said: Curious as to how they've regressed? Under Potter, they finished as high as 9th. Under De Zerbi, they finished 6th last season and are currently... 9th. Which part of this is the regression bit? IIRC the season potter departed (was early season), Brighton had won 5/6 games and were near the top of the table. De Zerbi continued with that, the team Potter had built. Now in his first full season they are closer to 13th than they are 6th, likely to finish somewhere around 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, pas5898 said: IIRC the season potter departed (was early season), Brighton had won 5/6 games and were near the top of the table. De Zerbi continued with that, the team Potter had built. Now in his first full season they are closer to 13th than they are 6th, likely to finish somewhere around 10th. Potter left after 6 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Potter left after 6 games Yes, so De Zerbi took Potters team that had already picked up 5/6 wins, started on fire and carried on with it. In his first full season, it appears he will finish in mid table, or even as low as 12-13th. That is a mediocrity , yet he is lauded as some great manager. There was even Athletic podcasts comparing him to Emery. The same Emery that took Gerrards team from 4th bottom to 4th top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, pas5898 said: IIRC the season potter departed (was early season), Brighton had won 5/6 games and were near the top of the table. De Zerbi continued with that, the team Potter had built. Now in his first full season they are closer to 13th than they are 6th, likely to finish somewhere around 10th. That's the biggest stretch on a manager's ability that I've seen in a long time. From memory, Brighton got off to a shaky start under De Zerbi (I guess adapting to his methods etc) and then kicked on. They finished 6th - that wasn't because of Potter being in charge for 6 games for **** sake. They then lost their midfield (Caicedo, Mac Allister) and their goalkeeper (Sanchez) and are still doing fine, in 9th place. They could finish 12th, they could finish 6th - it's very tight. There's no real sign of regression at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Yes, so De Zerbi took Potters team that had already picked up 5/6 wins, started on fire and carried on with it. In his first full season, it appears he will finish in mid table, or even as low as 12-13th. That is a mediocrity , yet he is lauded as some great manager. There was even Athletic podcasts comparing him to Emery. The same Emery that took Gerrards team from 4th bottom to 4th top. De zerbi has won 25 of 64 Brighton games, Potter the genius won 34 out of 120 games and was no indication he would continue that early season form. De Zerbi is a much superior manager One season Lambert took 10 points from the first 4 games. Actually the season before Brighton won 4 of the first 5 games and finished 9th Edited April 5 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 32 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Yes, so De Zerbi took Potters team that had already picked up 5/6 wins, started on fire and carried on with it. In his first full season, it appears he will finish in mid table, or even as low as 12-13th. That is a mediocrity , yet he is lauded as some great manager. There was even Athletic podcasts comparing him to Emery. The same Emery that took Gerrards team from 4th bottom to 4th top. Their problem under Potter (and it continued for him at Chelsea) is they'd dominate all these games yet hardly score. De Zerbi comes in and suddenly they're beating Arsenal 3-0, Chelsea 4-1 etc. However this season they've reverted back to not scoring enough but think issues there are Evan Ferguson having that tricky second season any younger player does. Joao Pedro only just back after two months out, he was in really good form in the winter. I still think they'll end the season strong so would be surprised if they're as low as 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 De Zerbi has taken ninety-one points from sixty-one games as Brighton manager, they've been the eighth best team points wise in that time The fairest way to compare him to Potter is to look at Potter's final sixty-one games, not really fair to go back to Potters first seaons as their squad obviously wasn't as good then In Potter's final sixty-one games they took eighty-six points, and were also eighth best team in the league during that time So the records are actually very similar, De Zerbi slightly better Where you could argue that De Zerbi edges it furthermore is that they've sold more of their star players whilst he's been there Caicedo, Mac Allister, Sanchez, Trossard, and then Bissouma and Cucurella were sold just before he came in, so it was more him that was affected by their sales than Potter 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, pas5898 said: Don't think people are slagging them off. It's this hilarious myth that De Zerbi is a great manager, which Liverpool are hopefully falling for. Exactly this Not slagging them at all but at the same time absolutely no **** way is "got Brighton 6th" the CV of a man getting the Liverpool or Barcelona job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I think Brighton actually have a very tough finish to the season, especially considering they've only won three of their last fifteen, and take away the first six games their form has pretty much been lower midtable form, so if they get sixth now they will have more than deserved it as will require a big turnaround in form and against some tough opponents, could argue they're second favorites in all their remaining games other than Burnley, they seem just as likely to drop into bottom half of the table as finish sixth They've had a few bad results made worse by the manner in which the points were dropped, but it will probably be Machester United that get that sixth spot, they've been doing this all season, bad results but just doing enough to remain top six, if they do falter probably more likely that Chelsea or Newcastle will catch them as they have easier run-ins than Brighton If Brighton can avoid finishing lower than tenth then that will be a good season for them and was indeed the club's target at the start of the season, next season the target is to finish in Europe and win a trophy, so putting some pressure on themselves, and presumably going to spend in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 56 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Exactly this Not slagging them at all but at the same time absolutely no **** way is "got Brighton 6th" the CV of a man getting the Liverpool or Barcelona job That's doing De Zerbi a bit of a disservice. I know football doesn't really exist outside of the Premier League, but he's been widely praised (as far as I know, at least) for his style of play at Sassuolo, Shakhtar (won a trophy, were unbeaten before the war hit) and then Brighton. With the exception of Shakhtar - purely because they're not a "smaller" side in that sense - he seems to bring good football and 'overachieving' whilst an upcoming manager. Now, I'm not saying De Zerbi gets the Liverpool job (I think they'll go for a bigger name type), but this is also how managers progress, no? Do well in lesser jobs, get bigger job. You could look at the CVs of current "top" managers... Klopp prior to Dortmund was "got Mainz promoted and then relegated". Is that the CV of a man getting a top job in Germany? Arteta before the Arsenal job was "assisted Guardiola". Is that the CV of a man getting a top job in England? Similarly, Potter "got Brighton 9th" before getting the Chelsea job. Guardiola came through from managing the reserve team at Barcelona. Every younger manager starts somewhere and then a "big club" takes a chance on them. Edited April 5 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 56 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Exactly this Not slagging them at all but at the same time absolutely no **** way is "got Brighton 6th" the CV of a man getting the Liverpool or Barcelona job Didn't Rogers get the Liverpool job when Swansea were finishing 11th (which of course was very good at the time). The interesting thing about Liverpool is in nearly 15 years of ownership under Tom Henry and Fenway they've only actually appointed three managers; Dalglish which was basically to pacify the fanbase at the time, Brendan Rodgers and then Klopp which was a case of right man, right time. So I think it's unknown what type they prefer as it's such a small sample size to judge. They clearly rated the football Rogers played at Swansea and he had no playing career whatsoever so can't see why they'd just overlook De Zerbi totally. Feels like the Sporting guy will get it with the links getting stronger over the last 10 days anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Exactly this Not slagging them at all but at the same time absolutely no **** way is "got Brighton 6th" the CV of a man getting the Liverpool or Barcelona job How are managers supposed get these jobs? Ruben Amorim is the other main candidate what has he done? De Zerbi probably done more in management than Poch who has got 2 big jobs recently and Potter who got the Chelsea job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted April 5 VT Supporter Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Similarly, Potter "got Brighton 9th" before getting the Chelsea job. So he took a step down then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Zatman said: How are managers supposed get these jobs? Ruben Amorim is the other main candidate what has he done? De Zerbi probably done more in management than Poch who has got 2 big jobs recently and Potter who got the Chelsea job. Ruben Amorim isn't the one to aim "what has he done?" at, to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 58 minutes ago, bobzy said: Ruben Amorim isn't the one to aim "what has he done?" at, to be fair He has won just one league title while being involved in one of the highest manager transfers ever. The argument could be aimed at him as well as RDZ for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scaled(88).thumb.jpg.d0f50fc0d1c3b7cef0d5a6c13f7efca0.jpg){kind=tracking}
Recommended Posts