Seat68 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, sidcow said: You have spelled knowledge incorrectly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, bickster said: Not forgetting “There's a Ghost in my House” and possibly “Mr Pharmacist” too Ghost peaked at number 30 , their biggest hit , Victoria their second biggest at 35 was a Kinks cover version Yep , definitely warrants 8 minutes on a show about 80’s music , it would be like including Gustavo Bartelt in a greatest villa 11 Edited November 9, 2021 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Ghost peaked at number 30 , their biggest hit , Victoria their second biggest at 35 was a Kinks cover version Yep , definitely warrants 8 minutes on a show about 80’s music I think when weighed up as a view on importance, and the latest episode was on alternative 80s, and therefore aside from The Smiths, who also featured, The Fall could be seen as the most important alternative band of the 80s. If you weren't into alternative music then it may be met with a shrug. I think Costeau Twins and Bauhaus were also featured, rightly, as these were part the the 80s alternative. If anything it would have been weird if The Fall weren't featured. The previous episode was on unique voices and if you have to fill an hour long show on voices of the 80s that were a little different, I would like to see reasoning why Mark E Smith wouldn't be in it and who would be instead. As it goes the next episode is hip hop to house. The Fall should be absent as sadly Coldcut/The Fall's telephone thing is from 1990. Edited November 9, 2021 by Seat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2021 FFS you lot, don't get me started again on the worst music decade ever. Oh, and "Bingo Master's Breakout"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, mjmooney said: FFS you lot, don't get me started again on the worst music decade ever. Oh, and "Bingo Master's Breakout"? Two swans in front of his eyesColored balls in front of his eyesIt's number one for his Kelly's eye Released in 1978 for the record 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, bickster said: Two swans in front of his eyesColored balls in front of his eyesIt's number one for his Kelly's eye Released in 1978 for the record Well, there ya go. It's never going to be my special subject on Mastermind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: Ghost peaked at number 30 , their biggest hit , Victoria their second biggest at 35 was a Kinks cover version Yep , definitely warrants 8 minutes on a show about 80’s music , it would be like including Gustavo Bartelt in a greatest villa 11 Ghost and Mr Pharmacist were also covers But judging the cultural impact of The Fall on 80s alternative music by chart placings is just a wee bit silly In fact denying the cultural impact of The Fall is also a little silly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, mjmooney said: Well, there ya go. It's never going to be my special subject on Mastermind. You even got Bob Dylan wrong yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 The Fall on TOTP, if this doesn't make you laugh out loud for being such a barmy 1980s cross cultural juxtaposition then there's little hope for you (Yes I know its fake) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Culture war comes to VT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, Seat68 said: Culture war comes to VT. Touch sensitive? Or is there a prole art threat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, bickster said: Not forgetting “There's a Ghost in my House Dear Liza, Dear Liza" FTFY, much better version imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Culture war comes to VT. It's The New Thing in the Idiot Joy Showland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, bickster said: You even got Bob Dylan wrong yesterday Yeah. And tbh I wouldn't have got that quote under any circumstances. It was from the "Together Through Life" album, which I (unlike many Dylanistas) actually like quite a lot - but mainly for the music, not the words. I could reel off complete lyrics from the 65-75 era, but from about 1997 (Time Out of Mind) onwards, he started writing songs which were way too long, with rather verbose and unfocused lyrics. I still like his general style, but he really could do with an editor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 9, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Rodders said: FTFY, much better version imo. You should take that up with Holland, Dozier and Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, bickster said: Ghost and Mr Pharmacist were also covers But judging the cultural impact of The Fall on 80s alternative music by chart placings is just a wee bit silly In fact denying the cultural impact of The Fall is also a little silly There is more to cultural impact than appealing to a few rabid left wingers in a student union hall , to suggest otherwise is a little bit silly (The chart positions of their cover versions was to help highlight this lack of cultural impact ) if we are talking 80's and cultural impact on alternative music then Siouxsie and the Banshees were more influential than The Fall and they didn't get a mention The only thing Mark E smith had going for him was that he said "I don’t like Northern people " So as per the thread title , 8 minutes across 2 shows about the Greatest music decade is wrong didddily wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted November 9, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: There is more to cultural impact than appealing to a few rabid left wingers in a student union hall While I wouldn't want to find myself inadvertently defending The Fall, there is also more to cultural impact than success in the pop charts. Taking my preferred era of the late 60s/early 70s as an example: who had the greater cultural impact - Lulu or The Velvet Underground? Tom Jones or Jethro Tull? The Marmalade or Neil Young? It all depends what you mean, and who you are. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seat68 Posted November 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2021 Remember the week kids. Mike basically tore up his Dylan card and joined us over on The Fall side. It's happened. It's finally happened. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I had no idea It Ain't Over Til It's Over was a Lenny Kravitz original. Always assumed it was a cover of a classic from the 60s or 70s. Any other songs that sound like covers, but aren't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, KentVillan said: I had no idea It Ain't Over Til It's Over was a Lenny Kravitz original. Always assumed it was a cover of a classic from the 60s or 70s. Any other songs that sound like covers, but aren't? Sunshine on a rainy day by Zoe. I always thought it was a cover, it wasn't but I still don't believe it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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