foreveryoung Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 We think refereeing is bad in the Prem. Just watched the coventry game, they had a penalty for kicking the ball at a Watford players hand, he even tried to put it behind his back, no way a pen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Haaland had a pop at the refs after the game today saying was a terrible call. Thats when you know its bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Feels to me you don't see that many goals called off due to obstruction of keeper compared to two years ago. It should've been chalked off. However last week I was actually expecting Diaby's goal to be cancelled as if you watch Ollie is standing infront of the Burnley keeper and he has to peer round him to see where the shot is going. I just think it was an interpretation that was massively skewed to the defensive side 2-3 years ago (remember that goal McGinn scored at Arsenal and it was disallowed as one of our players was in the vicinity of their keeper) and now most goals are being given. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Feels to me you don't see that many goals called off due to obstruction of keeper compared to two years ago. It should've been chalked off. However last week I was actually expecting Diaby's goal to be cancelled as if you watch Ollie is standing infront of the Burnley keeper and he has to peer round him to see where the shot is going. I just think it was an interpretation that was massively skewed to the defensive side 2-3 years ago (remember that goal McGinn scored at Arsenal and it was disallowed as one of our players was in the vicinity of their keeper) and now most goals are being given. They seem incapable of using common sense. They cant accurately interpret a rule that requires them to use any judgement so there's two options... Make the rules simpler or get people that aren't corrupet/idiots to operate VAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Talldarkandransome said: I've given up trying to understand the rules or how they make decisions based on those rules. I may now live a little longer Same. I'm kind of just resigned to the fact that they're going to try and fix some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 15 hours ago, The_Steve said: One of the most overtly corrupt decisions to favour Man City since their offside goal against us Presumably you think we had an overtly corrupt decision in our favour against Burnley then? Or is it only when it's Man City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, bobzy said: Presumably you think we had an overtly corrupt decision in our favour against Burnley then? Or is it only when it's Man City? It’s far worse than the Villa one and possibly even the Hearts one from Thursday. That said, I don’t think our goal should’ve stood in terms of what I think the rules should be. For how the rules are applied now, it would’ve been outrageous to rule out ours. Yet the last two are levels worse. Just make any offside offside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seal Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 It makes you wonder whether more AI is involved in the decision making than we are afforded the knowledge of. I thought it was quite symbolic that the first controversy after covid stopped football was the goal line decision between us and sheffield utd. It kind of seemed almost seemed symbolic of - now it is technology that decides what is right or wrong not humans. Obviously it wasn't deliberate, but it planted a thought in my head nonetheless at the time that actually the humanity is disappearing from the game. I actually do think though that Fabrizio Romano is not a real person, and is more a ghost or AI that reports transfers the moment they are contractually signed / registered on a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Seal said: It makes you wonder whether more AI is involved in the decision making than we are afforded the knowledge of. I thought it was quite symbolic that the first controversy after covid stopped football was the goal line decision between us and sheffield utd. It kind of seemed almost seemed symbolic of - now it is technology that decides what is right or wrong not humans. Obviously it wasn't deliberate, but it planted a thought in my head nonetheless at the time that actually the humanity is disappearing from the game. I actually do think though that Fabrizio Romano is not a real person, and is more a ghost or AI that reports transfers the moment they are contractually signed / registered on a computer. I wish. AI would be impartial. Unless they just went on Chat GPT and asked 'Please create an refereeing algorithm that makes it possible for Man U to be top 5'. Without dodgy refs they'd finish 12th at best. Edit. In seriousness the stuff you mentioned seems to me to be an attempt to make refereeing more empirical. But that is a dumb move. Football can never be reffed like that. There is too much context involved. It's not like baseball or cricket where decisions are binary (in or out, strike or ball). And even in baseball the umpire has some leeway with the strike area. Empirical decision making doesn't make football refereeing more professional, it removes the ability of refs to act in the spirit of the game, and removes all of their responsibility for being competent. I say scrap it all. Go back to giving refs full responsibility for the game, and put all that effort into selection and training. I don't so much care if they make genuine mistakes, it has to be better than making 15 mistakes due to attempts to apply rigid formulas to one of the most complex (in terms of moving parts) games there is. Edited September 3, 2023 by HKP90 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just seen that Man Citeh offside - that simply has to be corruption, someone in the VAR room has been paid off because there could not ever be a clearer example. It's scandalous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Seal said: I actually do think though that Fabrizio Romano is not a real person, and is more a ghost or AI that reports transfers the moment they are contractually signed / registered on a computer. Here we go… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: It’s far worse than the Villa one and possibly even the Hearts one from Thursday. It's "worse" in that Akanji is closer to the ball, but it's the same thing. Player in an offside position who is able to play the ball and either attempts to or moves to make it a "dummy" against the keeper. Both are/should be offside. The fact that neither were given doesn't point to corruption, but a very odd interpretation of the offside law which is apparently now in the game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seal Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, HKP90 said: I wish. AI would be impartial. Unless they just went on Chat GPT and asked 'Please create an refereeing algorithm that makes it possible for Man U to be top 5'. Without dodgy refs they'd finish 12th at best. Maybe. I don't necessarily thing AI would be as impartial as believed. I don't think it is actually intelligence in the same way intelligence is intelligence and still is programmed by those who want to benefit from it. I also think that what AI is used in some places is a bit beyond what is seen in chat GPT. Not that I have used chat GPT personally. I do agree about Man Utd - same as liverpool in the 90's. Should be sitting in the relegation zone all decisions being proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seal Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: Here we go… my daughter literally shouted - here we go! whilst watching an episode of bluey as I read that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just now, Seal said: Maybe. I don't necessarily thing AI would be as impartial as believed. I don't think it is actually intelligence in the same way intelligence is intelligence and still is programmed by those who want to benefit from it. I also think that what AI is used in some places is a bit beyond what is seen in chat GPT. Not that I have used chat GPT personally. I do agree about Man Utd - same as liverpool in the 90's. Should be sitting in the relegation zone all decisions being proper. Yes I was being a bit flippant. It would have the biases of those tasking it, i'm sure. I've added some more thoughts to the original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: It's "worse" in that Akanji is closer to the ball, but it's the same thing. Player in an offside position who is able to play the ball and either attempts to or moves to make it a "dummy" against the keeper. Both are/should be offside. The fact that neither were given doesn't point to corruption, but a very odd interpretation of the offside law which is apparently now in the game. Yep, you can't have a rule or a principle that then gets in to proximity of the ball, was it going in anyway etc etc just call it offside like anyone with common sense would Both were offside Its not corruption it's just years of **** about with the rules paired with ineptitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 Just seen the JWP handball for the first time, absolutely unbelievable it wasn’t given. Remember the one against Grealish that was given? z where it grazed his fingertips and didn’t even change the flight of the ball… how can that be given but the one against West Ham not? Absolute madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 The VAR calls are so random and shit, they are probably linked to a betting syndicate...I love a good conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted September 3, 2023 Author Share Posted September 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Just seen the JWP handball for the first time, absolutely unbelievable it wasn’t given. Remember the one against Grealish that was given? z where it grazed his fingertips and didn’t even change the flight of the ball… how can that be given but the one against West Ham not? Absolute madness. The rule has changed 8263893 times since then Incoming offside rule change again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Genie said: Just seen the JWP handball for the first time, absolutely unbelievable it wasn’t given. Remember the one against Grealish that was given? z where it grazed his fingertips and didn’t even change the flight of the ball… how can that be given but the one against West Ham not? Absolute madness. West Ham always get decisions going their way. I wasn't surprised at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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