Demitri_C Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Probably because Ings isn’t suited to a lone striker role, typically. To play the lone striker role you usually need to have a good physical presence, able to challenge well for aerial balls and be prepared to run yourself into the ground chasing long balls into the channels. None of those are strengths for Ings in my view. But ings played as lone striker at Southampton? I dont think he was given enough opportunities up there tbh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Probably because Ings isn’t suited to a lone striker role, typically. To play the lone striker role you usually need to have a good physical presence, able to challenge well for aerial balls and be prepared to run yourself into the ground chasing long balls into the channels. None of those are strengths for Ings in my view. I think Ings work rate is much underrated and the other qualities are outdated. I fear though that Gerrard feels the same way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: We need to be careful not to overhype him as he'll just end up getting more abuse when he does miss chances like this, which he did plenty of times for Preston. One game I watched he missed 3 like that or easier. He's certainly a far more instinctive finisher, has a better first touch and is impressive with both feet though. I think there will be more patience with Archer as he’s young. Watkins is 26, and will turn 27 my mid-season. He is on very limited time to improve and become a premier league footballer. There is a legitimate expectation that Watkins can finish one on ones… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: We need to be careful not to overhype him as he'll just end up getting more abuse when he does miss chances like this, which he did plenty of times for Preston. One game I watched he missed 3 like that or easier. He's certainly a far more instinctive finisher, has a better first touch and is impressive with both feet though. Also very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: We need to be careful not to overhype him as he'll just end up getting more abuse when he does miss chances like this, which he did plenty of times for Preston. One game I watched he missed 3 like that or easier. He's certainly a far more instinctive finisher, has a better first touch and is impressive with both feet though. This is because every striker misses big chances. Watkins being no exception. I think fans are being a bit harsh on him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 Did you know he currently has a better goals to games ratio in the Premier league than Jermaine Defoe and Dwight Yorke? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 27 minutes ago, Spoony said: He is on very limited time to improve and become a premier league footballer Is this a joke I’ve missed? There are plenty of areas he can improve and he might not be the guy to take us to the next level but “become a Premier League footballer” - he’s played in the PL two seasons and hit double figures in both, gone on to play for England etc? Sure I’m just missing a running gag or something so apologies! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the arse of McGinn Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, MellbergsBeard said: How much would you sell him for then? Genuinely intrigued. Well this is the thing, I don’t think he’s worth what we paid for him. I’m sure by todays over inflated prices he could well go for more. But personally I’d be amazed if we got £20M for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 minute ago, By the arse of McGinn said: Well this is the thing, I don’t think he’s worth what we paid for him. I’m sure by todays over inflated prices he could well go for more. But personally I’d be amazed if we got £20M for him. Double that, easily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustibrooks Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Stephen_Evans said: Watkins never seems to look up when shooting and usually hits the keeper. I’ve noticed this a few times with him especially in one on one situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villatillidie95 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 25 goals out of 72 games for us = 34.72%, i.e. better than a 1 in 3 strike rate for us, thats pretty good considering what we paid for him. What is frustrating with Watkins is that he works so damn hard and gets himself in really good positions which too often is then ruined by poor finishing. However I think he offsets this by burying enough goals for us to make a difference, he can definitely improve aspects of his game and with better finishing he could get 20 in a season. Happy he is a part of the team and backing him to get more than the 12 he got this season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the arse of McGinn Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: Double that, easily. You’re probably right. Personally, I just don’t think he’s worth it. With Gabriel Jesus going to Arsenal for £45M, I would feel completely ripped off paying £40M for Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted July 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, By the arse of McGinn said: You’re probably right. Personally, I just don’t think he’s worth it. With Gabriel Jesus going to Arsenal for £45M, I would feel completely ripped off paying £40M for Watkins If this site is correct then Ollie outperformed Jesus on Goals to XG: https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/expected_goals/premier-league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted July 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, andyjsg said: If this site is correct then Ollie outperformed Jesus on Goals to XG: https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/expected_goals/premier-league Heung Min-Son. What a player. Outrageous stats. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Heung Min-Son. What a player. Outrageous stats. Vardy and Son are head and shoulders. Both wonderful players. Having seen that stat for Ollie though - he’s holding his own against some very good strikers there. Although he can undoubtedly improve, I’d like to see our chance creation improve this season to up that xG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 38 minutes ago, andyjsg said: If this site is correct then Ollie outperformed Jesus on Goals to XG: https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/expected_goals/premier-league This shows he is actually more clinical then we make out. Some of our fans would moan Salah misses too many chances if he played for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Vardy and Son are head and shoulders. Both wonderful players. Having seen that stat for Ollie though - he’s holding his own against some very good strikers there. Although he can undoubtedly improve, I’d like to see our chance creation improve this season to up that xG. His previous year was very impressive. Edited July 18, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Rustibrooks said: I’ve noticed this a few times with him especially in one on one situations. not just one on ones. the number of times he shoots from distance and smacks it against a defender two yards in front of him is nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By the arse of McGinn Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 6 hours ago, andyjsg said: If this site is correct then Ollie outperformed Jesus on Goals to XG: https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/16390/players/expected_goals/premier-league Jesus played fewer games and got more assists tbf. I know which one I’d rather have in the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyjsg Posted July 18, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, By the arse of McGinn said: Jesus played fewer games and got more assists tbf. I know which one I’d rather have in the team Fewer games or not he was statistically less clinical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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