duke313 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: He played 60 minutes in just one game he was involved and made 2 starts from 40 available He has 415 mins played in the first team last season, by far the most from any academy player bar Ramsey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: He played 294 minutes in the league. Only one 18 year old played more in the league last season and that was a Southampton player. Do you think he should have played a lot more? Well depends when Ashley Young was being played as a 10 or in centre midfield i can imagine why he would think he deserved more minutes For me I dont know because I dont see him train but for Carney i can see why he thinks he deserved more. Was times he went a long time without getting on the pitch and we were playing shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zatman said: Well depends when Ashley Young was being played as a 10 or in centre midfield i can imagine why he would think he deserved more minutes For me I dont know because I dont see him train but for Carney i can see why he thinks he deserved more. Was times he went a long time without getting on the pitch and we were playing shit I didn’t personally see enough for him to be getting more minutes. Thought the club were quite generous with how much he played and it’s definitely nothing to do with this ‘win now’ approach you don’t seem to be a fan of. Edited June 20, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zatman said: Well depends when Ashley Young was being played as a 10 or in centre midfield i can imagine why he would think he deserved more minutes For me I dont know because I dont see him train but for Carney i can see why he thinks he deserved more. Was times he went a long time without getting on the pitch and we were playing shit If you need a result to save your job, do you a) bring on a versatile, experienced, title winning player? or b) a young, inexperienced teenager who has just turned 18? I'm going with option a) personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, duke313 said: If you need a result to save your job, do you a) bring on a versatile, experienced, title winning player? or b) a young, inexperienced teenager who has just turned 18? I'm going with option a) personally. Bring on the 18 year so he signs a new contract. In fact just play all the kids every game so they stay at the club. ‘Organic growth’. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I didn’t personally see enough for him to be getting more minutes. Thought the club were quite generous with how much he played and it’s definitely nothing to do with this ‘win now’ approach you don’t seem to be a fan of. No I am not a fan of win now. I remember the last 2 times we did it and was a disaster. Both nearly led to financial ruin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Zatman said: Well depends when Ashley Young was being played as a 10 or in centre midfield i can imagine why he would think he deserved more minutes For me I dont know because I dont see him train but for Carney i can see why he thinks he deserved more. Was times he went a long time without getting on the pitch and we were playing shit Young played in central midfield like only once for us and it happened to be a game where Carney started for us too. Edited June 20, 2022 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: No I am not a fan of win now. I remember the last 2 times we did it and was a disaster. Both nearly led to financial ruin Fair enough. Boils down to whether you trust that those running the club know what they are doing. I do. You don’t. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said: Young played in central midfield like only once for us and it happened to be a game where Carney started for us too. As a starter but he came off the bench a few times to play centre midfield or as a 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair enough. Boils down to whether you trust that those running the club know what they are doing. I do. You don’t. Only time will tell. I trust the owners yes but the rest at the moment I dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 I think he had plenty of game time for where he’s at as an 18 year old. And I haven’t been massively impressed when he has been on, I can’t remember the game but he came on for a spell late in the season and looked like he either couldn’t or didn’t want to put a shift in. His game time will probably increase this season I would say and then we can see if he’s up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gilbertoAVFC Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 People act as though our CMs are so outstanding that Carney can't possibly be given starts, but ironically our best CM is probably Ramsey, who only came good when he was given...starts! Still utterly baffles me that McGinn - despite being the absolute definition of average Prem player - played 90 mins every single game he was available last year when we had nothing to play for. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, gilbertoAVFC said: People act as though our CMs are so outstanding that Carney can't possibly be given starts, but ironically our best CM is probably Ramsey, who only came good when he was given...starts! Still utterly baffles me that McGinn - despite being the absolute definition of average Prem player - played 90 mins every single game he was available last year when we had nothing to play for. Agreed. I would play Chukwuemeka ahead of McGinn next season as CM, and as first cab off the rank behind Coutinho and Buendia. His agent may be bell end trying it on but I still firmly believe this kid is special and we need to keep and develop him at all costs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mazrim said: Agreed. I would play Chukwuemeka ahead of McGinn next season as CM, and as first cab off the rank behind Coutinho and Buendia. His agent may be bell end trying it on but I still firmly believe this kid is special and we need to keep and develop him at all costs. Develop him for another club when he sods of next summer for nothing. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, AshVilla said: Develop him for another club when he sods of next summer for nothing. No thanks. He'd have to commit to us, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 hours ago, duke313 said: The problem with that is that it confirms there is no immediate path to the first team for him at the minute if he has to go out on loan to get a run in the first team, which may convince him that he's better off signing for someone else who will guarantee him first team minutes. We finished 14th last season......so who can guarantee him first team minutes, if he wasn't a regular in our team. I think his ambition is ahead of his reality......is one problem, he might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 We have 5 subs next season - Carney would absolutely get minutes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Carney has been given a chance and hasn’t done enough to warrant any more game time than he’s been given. Tim Iroegbunam did a very solid job and deserved his shots in the first team. Ramsey last season was Ok but worked hard and therefore provided a better alternative to the experienced but slow Hourihane and Barkley in certain games, so deserved his chances and then added the quality to his work rate this season, too. Chukweumeka however wanders around the pitch like he’s the best player in the world, which is ok if he’s setting the world alight but he clearly hasn’t. Probably works in the u18’s where he’s surrounding by kids who only have half the technical ability but in the PL they are all top class players so if you’re not on top form you need to at least work twice as hard instead to help the team. Most youngsters go out on loan for a season, this guy seems to be the only one who hasn’t and presumably it’s because of the contract issue. He simply hasn’t done enough here to justify more game time at the age of 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david-avfc Posted June 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, gilbertoAVFC said: People act as though our CMs are so outstanding that Carney can't possibly be given starts, but ironically our best CM is probably Ramsey, who only came good when he was given...starts! Still utterly baffles me that McGinn - despite being the absolute definition of average Prem player - played 90 mins every single game he was available last year when we had nothing to play for. Yeah baffling how one of our best players over the last 5 years, who has 100 PL appearances and nearly 50 international appearances is in the side over an 18 year old who has done nothing 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, david-avfc said: Yeah baffling how one of our best players over the last 5 years, who has 100 PL appearances and nearly 50 international appearances is in the side over an 18 year old who has done nothing Sarcasm detected! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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