Generic Virus Thread

[bickster]

3 minutes ago, Genie said:

I did say 1 night stopover was reasonable. 
Don’t do the trips if you don’t want to do them, it’s just and option. There isn’t a right for the Government to accommodate every scenario. Aren’t students travelling home for Christmas at the end of their term anyway (circa 18th December?).

 

My daughter isn't a student. A one night stop over is two days, if those two days are Xmas Day and Boxing Day, there is no public transport, followed by a day with Sunday Service which will be as sketchy as hell (always is) followed by another day with Bank Holiday Service.

The cross country Public Transport being crammed issue is far bigger than the families meeting at xmas issue

[mjmooney]

2 hours ago, Genie said:

The scenes in London yesterday were unbelievable. Thousands of protesters but this time no masks, no social distancing, and the fact that they are anti-lockdown there’s probably a higher than average number of virus carriers in there.

 

[blandy]

4 hours ago, Xela said:

The Government have put themselves in a no-win position now. Need to lockdown as deaths are going up... then lockdown was too late, now the new lockdown tiers are too strict and destroying business. If they'd been lifted it would have been criticised as well for being too soft. Letting people get together for Christmas is criticised but if he'd put lockdowns in over Christmas, it would have been criticised more. 

As others have said, people will do what they want over Xmas anyway. 

We need the vaccine asap

I read something interesting. The US has done appallingly at the health side of it, but well at the economic side. Australia and South Korea have done well at both sides of it, and the uk terribly at both the health and economic sides, despite spending a ****-ton of money. The tories have been and are all over the place with things. Incompetent, corrupt, indecisive, terrible messaging. Awful.

[Genie]

11 minutes ago, blandy said:

I read something interesting. The US has done appallingly at the health side of it, but well at the economic side. Australia and South Korea have done well at both sides of it, and the uk terribly at both the health and economic sides, despite spending a ****-ton of money. The tories have been and are all over the place with things. Incompetent, corrupt, indecisive, terrible messaging. Awful.

Have the US done much worse than us at the health side when adjusted for population? I reckon it’s quite close.

As you say, we’ve had the worst of both sides of the health/economy situation. If you then factor in the government spending/stimulus packages we’ve probably blown more than anyone else there too.

[Davkaus]

14 minutes ago, blandy said:

I read something interesting. The US has done appallingly at the health side of it, but well at the economic side. Australia and South Korea have done well at both sides of it, and the uk terribly at both the health and economic sides, despite spending a ****-ton of money. The tories have been and are all over the place with things. Incompetent, corrupt, indecisive, terrible messaging. Awful.

Almost certainly winning the league in siphoning public funds in to the pockets of party donors though, so who's the real winner? 

[chrisp65]

I still don’t completely understand why the police are not all over some of these contracts and deals.

Doubtless it will all need to wait until after the inevitable public inquiry in 4 years time (exact parameters of investigation to be decided by the government).

 

[Davkaus]

10 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I still don’t completely understand why the police are not all over some of these contracts and deals.

Doubtless it will all need to wait until after the inevitable public inquiry in 4 years time (exact parameters of investigation to be decided by the government).

 

I wonder which organisation would be expected to investigate this kind of alleged corruption, and how many rungs away the responsible officer is down the ladder from Priti Patel. 

[chrisp65]

Just now, Davkaus said:

I wonder which organisation would be expected to investigate this kind of alleged corruption, and how many rungs away the responsible officer is down the ladder from Priti Patel. 

I think this would probably require some new specialist unit to be set up.

What’s Dido doing at the moment?

Though to be honest, I’d love them to put Grayling in charge, the idiot would probably accidentally convict someone.

 

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I wonder which organisation would be expected to investigate this kind of alleged corruption, and how many rungs away the responsible officer is down the ladder from Priti Patel. 

Patel could launch a coup from that position as she doesn't appear to be connected to any of the contracts that I've seen.... (won't happen but its a good basis for a novel)

[bickster]

Corks out!

[Davkaus]

36 minutes ago, bickster said:

Corks out!

I misread that. 

[Genie]

Nice of the students to have a good old virus transmitting party before heading home to see their families.

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A party of 200 people at a halls of residence was broken up by police.

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image captionFootage of the party at St Peter's Court, Nottingham, was posted on social media

The gathering in the courtyard outside St Peter's Court, Radford, which houses University of Nottingham students, stopped after midnight.

Nottinghamshire Police said officers were unable to arrest anyone as the crowd dispersed when they arrived, but they were still investigating.

It was one of a number of parties the force broke up overnight, prompting a plea to follow the rules.

Students across England are being tested next week as part of the government's plan to allow them to return home between 3 and 9 December.

Shortly after 21:00 GMT officers handed out five £200 fines after responding to reports of a party in a field in Gonalston.

They said they were still trying to find the organiser and a driver who crashed into a police car as they fled the scene.

At about 22:30 officers were called to a flat in Pilcher Gate, in the city centre, where they gave £200 fines to 21 people.

Shortly after 23:30 two people were arrested in Valley Road, Carlton, on suspicion of assaulting a police officer who had been at the scene of another illegal gathering.

Just after midnight officers broke up a "large party" in St Ann's and issued the organiser with a summons to appear in court.

Det Supt Andrew Gowan said: "The very last thing we want to be doing as police officers is to be punishing people for gathering together and having fun. 

"However, the current national restrictions are in place to protect the wider public from harm and we will keep enforcing them for as long as we need to.

"It is deeply disappointing that so many needed such an expensive reminder that the rules apply equally to everyone.

"We understand that this is a difficult time but there really are no excuses for this kind of behaviour where people are blatantly ignoring the restrictions in such large numbers."

Link to bbc

[Davkaus]

Ha, crazy, that's where I stayed in my first year. Complete shithole! And Valley Road is about 2 minutes from my house. Am I the common factor here?  

In other news

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55123490

 

Santa's grottos will be allowed in all tiers if they're in venues that are permitted to be open, under new Christmas advice.

Door-to-door carol singing will also be permitted, it has been confirmed in the government guidance.

But if you live in tier three in England, you cannot attend a school nativity play - instead, you will have to live stream it or watch a recording.

Rules vary across the different nations of the UK and in different tiers.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Davkaus

[bickster]

41 minutes ago, Genie said:

It was one of a number of parties the force broke up overnight, prompting a plea to follow the rules.

One wonders which rule it is exactly that they are breaking, they are in the building in which they live

Complaining that students are having a covid party before going home are silly, they all live there. Is there a rule that you can't jump around in your porch?

The Government and the Uni's kind of forced them to be there and forced them into a residential bubble of hundreds, thousands in some cases

I keep saying this but blaming students for that kind of behaviour is nonsense, try living in a rabbit hutch when you're a human

[Davkaus]

Their household bubble is surely their individual apartments not the entire building.

[Genie]

9 minutes ago, bickster said:

I keep saying this but blaming students for that kind of behaviour is nonsense

 

I sometimes wonder if @bickster has lost the thread of what is going on. This is life and death stuff.

This isn’t wearing the mask under the nose, or standing too close to someone at Asda.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Genie

[Xela]

55 minutes ago, Genie said:

Nice of the students to have a good old virus transmitting party before heading home to see their families.

Link to bbc

Even closer to home

£200 fine not enough. Should be £1000 per person. 

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Bottles were thrown at police when they broke up an illegal rave with a 150-strong crowd at a disused warehouse.

Officers forced their way into the event in Bordesley Street, Digbeth, Birmingham on Saturday night.

They were "pelted with bottles," West Midlands Police said, and one officer was "kicked out" at but was unhurt.

A man was arrested on suspicion of assault and more than 100 penalty notices of £200 were issued for breaching lockdown.

The arrested man was later released under investigation.

Police seized Class A drugs, a knuckleduster and DJ equipment when they went to the site after being contacted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55120794

[bickster]

2 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Their household bubble is surely their individual apartments not the entire building.

You household Bubble is the people you live with. Most halls of residence don't have apartments, they have rabbit hutch rooms and shared facilities between the rooms, usually a floor shares a kitchen and a washroom, my daughters halls had 20 people to a floor all sharing the kitchen and amenities.

My hall way back when (and was only demolished this year) had one kitchen for each block (30 people to a block) and one bathroom / shower / toilet room per floor (3 floors)

[Genie]

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

You household Bubble is the people you live with. Most halls of residence don't have apartments, they have rabbit hutch rooms and shared facilities between the rooms, usually a floor shares a kitchen and a washroom, my daughters halls had 20 people to a floor all sharing the kitchen and amenities.

My hall way back when (and was only demolished this year) had one kitchen for each block (30 people to a block) and one bathroom / shower / toilet room per floor (3 floors)

So there’s a shared kitchen, let’s have a **** party with 200 others it’s the same thing.

Edited November 29, 2020 by Genie

[Davkaus]

1 minute ago, bickster said:

You household Bubble is the people you live with. Most halls of residence don't have apartments, they have rabbit hutch rooms and shared facilities between the rooms, usually a floor shares a kitchen and a washroom, my daughters halls had 20 people to a floor all sharing the kitchen and amenities.

 

Even if that did excuse 200 people having a party, which is laughable, it's not relevant in this case. They're apartments with 5 rooms, en suites and a shared kitchen.