Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted November 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2020 An amusing thing that is now happening in America is the following: With their shiny new bigger majority on the Supreme Court, conservatives have managed to get rulings that overturn restrictions on religious attendance in the name of virus prevention. So now you can go to church and spread the virus to your heart's content, and there's nothing the government can do to stop you. The Pope then published a suspiciously prompt op-ed in the New York Times encouraging people, in a very mildly veiled way, to actually listen to what public health experts are saying and not to put other people's health at risk. And now catholic Republicans are *extremely* butt-hurt about it: From the replies, this gem: 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: An amusing thing that is now happening in America is the following: With their shiny new bigger majority on the Supreme Court, conservatives have managed to get rulings that overturn restrictions on religious attendance in the name of virus prevention. So now you can go to church and spread the virus to your heart's content, and there's nothing the government can do to stop you. The Pope then published a suspiciously prompt op-ed in the New York Times encouraging people, in a very mildly veiled way, to actually listen to what public health experts are saying and not to put other people's health at risk. And now catholic Republicans are *extremely* butt-hurt about it: From the replies, this gem: The conservatives have not like this Pope for a long time, it's not new to coronavirus. He's far more liberal than Benedict was (who was a classic Catholic conservative). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted November 27, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2020 @HanoiVillan You were worried about the Oxford vaccine raising some red flags? I think you must have misheard, you got the flag bit right though... 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: @HanoiVillan You were worried about the Oxford vaccine raising some red flags? I think you must have misheard, you got the flag bit right though... They must be pretty confident in it if they want to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 27, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Genie said: They must be pretty confident in it if they want to do that. That was in from the start, so confidence has absolutely nothing to do with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, bickster said: That was in from the start, so confidence has absolutely nothing to do with it Fair enough. If they soon demand it is removed then it’s time to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: The conservatives have not like this Pope for a long time, it's not new to coronavirus. He's far more liberal than Benedict was (who was a classic Catholic conservative). Sure! But it's getting more and more out-in-the-open every day, and the cognitive dissonance is amusing to watch from a distance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: @HanoiVillan You were worried about the Oxford vaccine raising some red flags? I think you must have misheard, you got the flag bit right though... I thought this had to be satire I was wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 This vaccine increasingly looks like an embarrassment, so it's completely natural that the government would want to stamp the flag all over the project. It's a perfect metaphor, really. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: And now catholic Republicans are *extremely* butt-hurt about it: From the tweet: 'The greater good' (who decides that?). Well, I'm no religious expert especially with regard to Catholicism but I'd take a punt at God and his representative on earth (the Pope)? Edited November 27, 2020 by snowychap 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 6 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: An amusing thing that is now happening in America is the following: With their shiny new bigger majority on the Supreme Court, conservatives have managed to get rulings that overturn restrictions on religious attendance in the name of virus prevention. So now you can go to church and spread the virus to your heart's content, and there's nothing the government can do to stop you. The Pope then published a suspiciously prompt op-ed in the New York Times encouraging people, in a very mildly veiled way, to actually listen to what public health experts are saying and not to put other people's health at risk. And now catholic Republicans are *extremely* butt-hurt about it: From the replies, this gem: Ouch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bickster Posted November 27, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 27, 2020 This makes me seem like some sort of 5G Mast loon but its been bugging me... The government rolling 7 day figures isnt right, certainly not for where I live The population of my council ward as of June is 12700 (Latest ONS Stats used) (My COVID area is my council ward renamed - I've ccompared with the official election maps) The Government website says the number of cases in my area is 13 According to the government, the rolling rate = (number of cases / population of area) * 100,000 So (13/1270) * 100,000 = 102.4 (I've checked this a number of times to make sure I'm not mental) Yet the Government says the Rolling Rate here is 143.9 What am I missing? I'm off to check some more but from where I'm sat right now, those stats are bollocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 hours ago, bickster said: This makes me seem like some sort of 5G Mast loon but its been bugging me... The government rolling 7 day figures isnt right, certainly not for where I live The population of my council ward as of June is 12700 (Latest ONS Stats used) (My COVID area is my council ward renamed - I've ccompared with the official election maps) The Government website says the number of cases in my area is 13 According to the government, the rolling rate = (number of cases / population of area) * 100,000 So (13/1270) * 100,000 = 102.4 (I've checked this a number of times to make sure I'm not mental) Yet the Government says the Rolling Rate here is 143.9 What am I missing? I'm off to check some more but from where I'm sat right now, those stats are bollocks What did you find? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2020 6 hours ago, avfcDJ said: What did you find? Hmm the rest of them were pretty correct from what I could work out, the rest don’t follow the council wards as much. The one for the borough was spot on. I just think they must have the wrong population figure for my micro area. But the way they split the micro areas up makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, there’s no logic to it. Not areas of equal population, There’s one are called Ford, that misses out parts of its own area but adds in parts of two different areas that are totally unrelated, so if they ever decided to lockdown on a micro level, it would be pointless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 So surprise, surprise all kinds of questions and complaints and arguments about the tiers. Is it too much to expect them to share what the criteria was for setting them, and therefore what each region needs to achieve to move down? Is that far too logical and sensible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, Genie said: So surprise, surprise all kinds of questions and complaints and arguments about the tiers. Is it too much to expect them to share what the criteria was for setting them, and therefore what each region needs to achieve to move down? Is that far too logical and sensible? Its not that easy though is it, different areas will need to achieve different targets due to the differences in hospital capacity both in their area and surrounding areas It would also be much quicker if everyone followed the rules rather than looking at a target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, bickster said: Its not that easy though is it, different areas will need to achieve different targets due to the differences in hospital capacity both in their area and surrounding areas It would also be much quicker if everyone followed the rules rather than looking at a target All valid points yes. They could share why they seemingly have different targets in different areas in that case. It’s this whole secrecy that causes the lack of trust which fuels the “**** it, I’ll do what I want” amongst some of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Genie said: All valid points yes. They could share why they seemingly have different targets in different areas in that case. It’s this whole secrecy that causes the lack of trust which fuels the “**** it, I’ll do what I want” amongst some of the population. Its too fluid a situation though isn't it because it doesn't just depend on what is happening where you are but also in surrounding areas. Your area meeting its target may still not lead to a lower tier because your hospital capacity may be OK but if they think they may need that capacity for surrounding areas, they can't change your tier yet as relaxing in your area might take away extra capacity your hospitals have to help neighbouring areas and allowing your area to "relax" might strain your capacity again and therefore impact your neighbours too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 1 minute ago, bickster said: Its too fluid a situation though isn't it because it doesn't just depend on what is happening where you are but also in surrounding areas. Your area meeting its target may still not lead to a lower tier because your hospital capacity may be OK but if they think they may need that capacity for surrounding areas, they can't change your tier yet as relaxing in your area might take away extra capacity your hospitals have to help neighbouring areas and allowing your area to "relax" might strain your capacity again and therefore impact your neighbours too Again I agree, but the powers that be could state that region X consists of the areas A,B,C&D and the average r/1000 or 6 week average needs to be below Y before the tier will be reduced. I’m sure they have some logic behind their planning and it would probably help their credibility if would be more open about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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