tonyh29 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, bickster said: Not exactly, we need a government prepared to hand the BBC it's impartiality back, proper impartiality... I suspect the wait will be some time agreed ...I hardly think the incoming labour government is going to want to move its propaganda machine back to impartial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 19 VT Supporter Share Posted January 19 The concern with the BBC being brought pointedly to heel by the Tories would always be that the taboo is broken, the unspoken love is crossed and nobody is going to put the fence back up. Labour aren't going to let the BBC go back to what it was, it will just fill it's ranks with Labour lickspittles as the chance arises. The same as you never get rights back and laws always, always get exploited far beyond their explicit purposes, once the line is given it's never taken back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Having watched TV across many different countries, the idea that the BBC is biased on a grand scale, simply doesn’t hold up. Just watch Fox News across the pond, it’s excruciating. We may not like everything reported on the BBC, we may think it can often reflect a bias, but get a grip people. There are countries out there who’s citizens are desperately seeking a news channel that is as good as the BBC. And I speak as someone who detests Laura Kuenssberg. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 44 minutes ago, bickster said: Not exactly, we need a government prepared to hand the BBC it's impartiality back, proper impartiality... I suspect the wait will be some time Indeed we do, but with the populace irredeemably divided left and right, gammon or woke - impartiality for one side would be seen as partiality by the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 38 minutes ago, meregreen said: Having watched TV across many different countries, the idea that the BBC is biased on a grand scale, simply doesn’t hold up. Just watch Fox News across the pond, it’s excruciating. We may not like everything reported on the BBC, we may think it can often reflect a bias, but get a grip people. There are countries out there who’s citizens are desperately seeking a news channel that is as good as the BBC. And I speak as someone who detests Laura Kuenssberg. 100%. Yes, on occasion they might report something in a slightly sympathetic manner towards the government but in general the news coverage is excellent and trustworthy. The BBC website has properly shown up the governments incompetence many, many times with its headlines too. That conveniently gets forgotten. It’s just the nature of debate now though that things can’t be great most of the time, if there’s a faint whiff of bias at any moment in time then the whole lot is shit and needs to be burned to the ground. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted January 19 Popular Post Share Posted January 19 Yesterday morning the journalist on radio 4 that used to be the president of the Oxford University Conservative Association and also used to be the president of the Conservative Youth Group was reading headlines from Scottish newspapers. He read extensively from the Daily Mail, with no comment on what the Daily Mail was. He then referenced The National, and explained at length that we had to understand the National was essentially the mouthpiece for Scottish Independence with strong leanings towards the SNP view of the world. People that can’t see the bias presume this means there is no bias. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 19 Author Moderator Share Posted January 19 6 hours ago, meregreen said: Having watched TV across many different countries, the idea that the BBC is biased on a grand scale, simply doesn’t hold up. Just watch Fox News across the pond, it’s excruciating. We may not like everything reported on the BBC, we may think it can often reflect a bias, but get a grip people. There are countries out there who’s citizens are desperately seeking a news channel that is as good as the BBC. And I speak as someone who detests Laura Kuenssberg. Apples and Pears, comparing the BBC to Fox is ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Yesterday morning the journalist on radio 4 that used to be the president of the Oxford University Conservative Association and also used to be the president of the Conservative Youth Group was reading headlines from Scottish newspapers. He read extensively from the Daily Mail, with no comment on what the Daily Mail was. He then referenced The National, and explained at length that we had to understand the National was essentially the mouthpiece for Scottish Independence with strong leanings towards the SNP view of the world. People that can’t see the bias presume this means there is no bias. And on another day they have someone else, with historical connections to another party, reading different papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 6 minutes ago, Genie said: And on another day they have someone else, with historical connections to another party, reading different papers. Who was this journalist? Was it Fiona Bruce or was it Laura Kuensberg? Was it ex Bullingdon club man Dimbleby? Andrew Neil maybe? Which anti establishment BBC journalist was explaining the party line of the right wing press or the two party system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 35 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Who was this journalist? Gary Lineker edit: that wasn’t really my point though. They have bits that are pro-government and also have some anti-government. Ive had many a laugh at their scathing headlines online, and when they open up the public comments to encourage the pile on. If you take a short snapshot of a Tory backing his pals then of course it’s biased at that moment in time. Edited January 19 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 41 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Who was this journalist? Was it Fiona Bruce or was it Laura Kuensberg? Was it ex Bullingdon club man Dimbleby? Andrew Neil maybe? Which anti establishment BBC journalist was explaining the party line of the right wing press or the two party system? I know the Tories always think the BBC is full of lefties and the left think the BBC is establishment but maybe that tells its neither. The Today programme before Christmas had Hanif Kureishi and Andrew Malkinson(who spent 15 years in prison wrongfully convicted) as guest editors.You might say it’s tokenism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 21 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: I know the Tories always think the BBC is full of lefties and the left think the BBC is establishment but maybe that tells its neither. The Today programme before Christmas had Hanif Kureishi and Andrew Malkinson(who spent 15 years in prison wrongfully convicted) as guest editors.You might say it’s tokenism. Well I loved the Buddha of Suburbia, but I’m struggling on why you’ve name checked Kureishi in this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 53 minutes ago, Genie said: Gary Lineker edit: that wasn’t really my point though. They have bits that are pro-government and also have some anti-government. Ive had many a laugh at their scathing headlines online, and when they open up the public comments to encourage the pile on. If you take a short snapshot of a Tory backing his pals then of course it’s biased at that moment in time. I’m not sure we’re discussing the same thing. I don’t think the BBC is incapable of criticising the tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Congratulations to our own @Mantis for getting a job as regional editor with the BBC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Well I loved the Buddha of Suburbia, but I’m struggling on why you’ve name checked Kureishi in this? I just think he would not be a typical establishment apologist and would probably speak freely about what he believes. I really like the BBC.I don’t agree with all of the views of the political presenters,I can see that people of many different persuasions can see bias but they have to walk a very difficult tightrope.A majority of this country are conservative supporters and have been for the last 50 years.They are going to have to reflect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 20 Author Moderator Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: I just think he would not be a typical establishment apologist and would probably speak freely about what he believes. I really like the BBC.I don’t agree with all of the views of the political presenters,I can see that people of many different persuasions can see bias but they have to walk a very difficult tightrope.A majority of this country are conservative supporters and have been for the last 50 years.They are going to have to reflect that. First of all, no this country does not have a majority of Conservative voters, not once in anyone’s lifetime have they got more than 50% of the votes. Secondly, even if the country did have that, the whole point of the BBC is to be unbiased, not biased to what way they think the country votes.Thats just a ridiculous notion. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: I just think he would not be a typical establishment apologist and would probably speak freely about what he believes. You had 70 million people to choose from to not be establishment, and you went for Hanif Kureishi, Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 20 VT Supporter Share Posted January 20 19 hours ago, meregreen said: Having watched TV across many different countries, the idea that the BBC is biased on a grand scale, simply doesn’t hold up. Just watch Fox News across the pond, it’s excruciating. We may not like everything reported on the BBC, we may think it can often reflect a bias, but get a grip people. There are countries out there who’s citizens are desperately seeking a news channel that is as good as the BBC. And I speak as someone who detests Laura Kuenssberg. Don't know what you mean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 12 hours ago, bickster said: Apples and Pears, comparing the BBC to Fox is ludicrous Is it? I was simply highlighting a genuinely biased TV outlet as opposed to the BBC. I could just as easily chosen a State owned Broadcaster from another country. Poland, Hungary, Russia and many others are examples of many that lost, or never had, a claim to be truly impartial from Government influence. Look. I get the BBC ain’t perfect, but to read some on here, they are being overly critical in my view.There’s a reason the Tories hate the BBC, they can’t control its output to the extent they would like, long may it remain so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 8 hours ago, Only2McInallys said: A majority of this country are conservative supporters and have been for the last 50 years.They are going to have to reflect that. What they should reflect. Is truth to power. God help us if they are simply there to reflect the views of any particular group above others. Incidentally the Tories have never polled above 50%. Labour got close in 1945 with 49.71%. Guess people found their consciences and wanted that war to mean something. Hopefully the British people are about to have another epiphany. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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