KentVillan Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Very confident he would have with us if he'd ever got a full championship season. It's the end of him at Norwich. Told the fans to do one on his way out. Who do Norwich get instead of him? Dyche? Wilder? Their best bet is getting one of the specialist promotion merchants who plays tight percentage football, but not sure the fans would tolerate that. More likely they get an expansive tiki taka type who takes them even further down and they finish mid table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Looks like Norwich are just in one of those middling runs DS always has in a season whoever he's managing. Different really this time is there's no creative genius in the side to get them going. I liked the look of Marcelino Nunez earlier this season but not sure if he's faded as winter hit and they simply haven't refreshed enough in other areas of the team as say Burnley have done. Probably just shows you what a good job Farke did there and now he's managing a top club in Bundesliga. DS will have to try his luck at another mid table championship team soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Pinebro said: The should have never sacked Farke He wouldn't have really improved them either of honest..would be in the same situation with him Buendia with Pukki was why Farke got them up but pkaying Hanley/Krul etc wouldn't have made a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 They lost a game to a fellow top six side Blackburn Rovers, hardly the end of the world, they were also without Cantwell and Aaron Ramsey two of their better players. They won last weekend. I think their fans are in for a rude awakening if they think another manager will come in and do much better, their squad really isn't that great, top six is okay for them, they're not good enough to be demaning top two. People say he shouldn't have taken the job, I'm not sure why, he wasn't expected to keep them up so them being relegated last season hasn't done any harm to his reputation, and him having them top six is about right, so their current position shouldn't do any harm to his reputation either, if he was to leave them now it's not as if his reputation would be any worse than it was before he joined them, he's basically done about as well as could be expected. I think people also taking too much notice of Norwich fans' reaction, they seem to think that at Championship level they've some sort of divine right to be winning every game whilst playing amazing football, but their team isn't anywhere near as good as it was from the last time they were promoted, because of players they've lost and others being out of form, at one time Cantwell and Aarons were being linked with big money moves, they haven't been as good recently, which is probably why both of them are still at Norwich, and even Pukki isn't as prolific as he once was. If Norwich board are sensible they will stick with Smith and see if he can get them into Play-Offs as I think there's a big risk if they try and change things now they will sink further down the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 44 minutes ago, Pinebro said: The should have never sacked Farke cant help but agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) This is what they're saying about DS anyway: Stop bullying Smith - Main Discussion - Norwich City - The Pinkun Forums Reading some of that it actually feels very much like us and Gerrard tbh, no real warmth or connection between fanbase and manager which surprised me as Dean is a decent bloke and usually gets fans onside. Edited December 17, 2022 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, useless said: People say he shouldn't have taken the job, I'm not sure why, he wasn't expected to keep them up so them being relegated last season hasn't done any harm to his reputation, and him having them top six is about right, so their current position shouldn't do any harm to his reputation either, if he was to leave them now it's not as if his reputation would be any worse than it was before he joined them, he's basically done about as well as could be expected. Thing is, it will have damaged his reputation, regardless of the points you make here. And he could probably have taken a break, recharged his batteries, and taken on a better challenge in the summer without the baggage of getting relegated. If he can turn it around at Norwich and they stick with him, then maybe it will turn out to be a smart decision, but I just don’t think their fans have ever rated him or warmed to him, which is very different from his previous roles at Walsall / Brentford / Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, VillaChris said: This is what they're saying about DS anyway: Stop bullying Smith - Main Discussion - Norwich City - The Pinkun Forums Bunch of clueless cupid stunts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Also this thread from August 13th so some have wanted him out longer than tonight: Dean Smith just isn’t right for our club - Main Discussion - Norwich City - The Pinkun Forums Quote Knee jerk reaction to going behind to Hulll.., maybe? But even if we come back to win today I still don’t think smith is right to for us. i don’t think he’s heart Is in it and we have no love for him. He’s still trying to get over villa and we’re just trying to get over Farke. Let’s just admit it’s not working.. he can leave with some dignity and find a league club. We can find a manager who can motivate our players and knows what style they want and at least give us a fighting chance of making the play offs. Need to do it now before it’s too late! Edited December 17, 2022 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, VillaChris said: This is what they're saying about DS anyway: Stop bullying Smith - Main Discussion - Norwich City - The Pinkun Forums Reading some of that it actually feels very much like us and Gerrard tbh, no real warmth or connection between fanbase and manager which surprised me as Dean is a decent bloke and usually gets fans onside. Sometimes a Manager and a club simply don't " fit ". Similarly to how I don't think SG is necessarily a prick or the worst Manager in the world, but it was just a horrible fit for a multitude of reasons in the end and never gelled. In essence, wouldn't surprise me if some Norwich fans feel they are just his " rebound chick ". I also said at the time, I felt he was making a mistake.jumping back into any job he could get so early. His stock would have still been high enough to probably get a better job IMO. Edit: Based on what you just posted in follow up, it appears he's in almost an identical situation to what SG was here. Edited December 17, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 He's pushed back on the fans, really really stupid. His team just bloody lost, I'm disappointed in him. He should know better. Hopefully he turns it round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 There wouldn't have been a line of much better opportunities than Norwich for him, he wouldn't have gotten another Premier League job, so next best offer would have been a Championship team hoping to challenge for promotion - which is exactly what he's got with Norwich. He might not have even got an offer in the summer, or at least not from a decent Championship side with a realistic chance of challenging for promotion, if he ddin't take the Norwich job when he did, his next offer may well have come from a midtable Championship side. The two most important points are one the Norwich squad is nowhere near as good as people seem to think, so it's not even if Smith is doing a particularly bad job by having them fifth in the table, people talk about him needing to turn it around, but their form is about as what should be expected, they've won two and drawn one of their last five, so it's not even as if they're on some horrendous run or anything, and two I wouldn't take too much notice of Norwich fans, during a game before the World Cup I saw their official twitter tweet that they'd taken the lead, and most Norwich fans were replying negatively to even that. If Smith was to leave Norwich now, he will be in no worse position than he was when he left us, that is he will be a candidate for the same kind of jobs as he was when he left us, being Norwich manager hasn't changed anything, if anything it's probably helped his career as it's kept him in the game and when you look at it and ignoring the hyperbole from Norwich fans he's actually doing okay, top six is about where they should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Steve Bruce is out of work, them farmers should be careful what they wish for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 They haven't strengthened at all from last season when they looked poor in the premier league. According to transfermarket they have made 2 just permeant signings and the market value of their new signings is less than half of all the players that left. Norwich are just one of those farty yo-yo clubs who don't have a divine right to top flight football at all. No doubt they will press the panic button and Smith will have to drop down to a lower end championship or league one club. Sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, MaVilla said: cant help but agree with that. Farke would have walked at the end of the season anyway. Whats the point working for a team who give you no chance to stay up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, useless said: There wouldn't have been a line of much better opportunities than Norwich for him, he wouldn't have gotten another Premier League job, so next best offer would have been a Championship team hoping to challenge for promotion - which is exactly what he's got with Norwich. He might not have even got an offer in the summer, or at least not from a decent Championship side with a realistic chance of challenging for promotion, if he ddin't take the Norwich job when he did, his next offer may well have come from a midtable Championship side. The two most important points are one the Norwich squad is nowhere near as good as people seem to think, so it's not even if Smith is doing a particularly bad job by having them fifth in the table, people talk about him needing to turn it around, but their form is about as what should be expected, they've won two and drawn one of their last five, so it's not even as if they're on some horrendous run or anything, and two I wouldn't take too much notice of Norwich fans, during a game before the World Cup I saw their official twitter tweet that they'd taken the lead, and most Norwich fans were replying negatively to even that. If Smith was to leave Norwich now, he will be in no worse position than he was when he left us, that is he will be a candidate for the same kind of jobs as he was when he left us, being Norwich manager hasn't changed anything, if anything it's probably helped his career as it's kept him in the game and when you look at it and ignoring the hyperbole from Norwich fans he's actually doing okay, top six is about where they should be. If he gets sacked by Norwich in the next few weeks, do you really think he'll look back on it as a decision he would have made again in hindsight? It's not his record at Norwich that I'm criticising... I agree with what you're saying about fan expectations. I just think career-wise, he would have been better off steering clear. That's what most of us thought at the time, and it seems to be playing out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: If he gets sacked by Norwich in the next few weeks, do you really think he'll look back on it as a decision he would have made again in hindsight? It's not his record at Norwich that I'm criticising... I agree with what you're saying about fan expectations. I just think career-wise, he would have been better off steering clear. That's what most of us thought at the time, and it seems to be playing out that way. I said it before but being an English manager (not some famous player) doesnt get you jobs in the Premier League so he had to take what he got. Dyche and Wilder are recent examples and Dyche worked wonders. I think Smith was the highest placed English manager 2 seasons back Edited December 18, 2022 by Zatman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 Wouldnt suprise me if they sack smith ina few games if he doesnt start picking up wins and replace him with dyche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 His career has just gone downhill after he started working with Craig Shakespeare 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 10 hours ago, UpTheVilla26 said: Steve Bruce is out of work, them farmers should be careful what they wish for. Promotion specialist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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