bickster Posted April 9 Moderator Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Confusingly today there are reports on progress toward a ceasefire and also reports that Netanyahu is ready to launch an offensive on Rafah which would be a humanitarian disaster. Also confusingly there are reports that talks broke down due to Hamas refusing to accept certain conditions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Also confusingly there are reports that talks broke down due to Hamas refusing to accept certain conditions Here's an article about it from Reuters: Quote CAIRO, April 8 (Reuters) - Hamas rejected an Israeli ceasefire proposal made at talks in Cairo, a senior Hamas official said on Monday, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said a date was set for an invasion of Rafah, Gaza's last refuge for displaced Palestinians. Israel and Hamas sent teams to Egypt on Sunday for talks that included Qatari and Egyptian mediators as well as CIA Director William Burns. Burn's presence underlined rising pressure from Israel's main ally the U.S. for a deal that would free Israeli hostages held in Gaza and get aid to Palestinian civilians left destitute by six months of conflict. I don't even know why Hamas are part of these negotiations anymore. They've clearly got no regard for human life, just like the IDF. Edited April 9 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Hamas being part of it is really awkward isn’t it. We’ve been told for 6 months they are a terrorist organisation, yet there is to be a negotiation with them. Israel have stated they will erase them totally, but are now prepared to negotiate. Undoubtedly, letting them back in in any significant way will eventually lead to the next cycle of violence. But as we learned in Iraq, getting rid of all structure and everyone with any link to the regime will lead to failed state chaos. If ever there was a project for the UN to properly engage in and act as world police, this would have been it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Not that any country would wish members of their armed forces to be stuck in Gaza indefinitely, but surely the UN is the only force that can do the job of overseeing Gaza's transition from here on in? Israel can't be trusted to do it, the Palestinian Authority can't do it in the short term, and keeping the status quo equals famine and complete breakdown of order. There was talk a while ago of private contractors coming in - sadly I can see that as being the most likely outcome, lots of profit to be made... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 9 Moderator Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: Hamas being part of it is really awkward isn’t it. It's a bit more than awkward. I mean they started the current cycle of horror, albeit spurred on and armed by Iranian nutters. Hamas fighters are still doing their killing and hostaging and attacks. As much as Israel has gone mental, Hamas is there too, in the "elimination of the enemy" desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, chrisp65 said: Hamas being part of it is really awkward isn’t it. We’ve been told for 6 months they are a terrorist organisation, yet there is to be a negotiation with them. Israel have stated they will erase them totally, but are now prepared to negotiate. Undoubtedly, letting them back in in any significant way will eventually lead to the next cycle of violence. But as we learned in Iraq, getting rid of all structure and everyone with any link to the regime will lead to failed state chaos. If ever there was a project for the UN to properly engage in and act as world police, this would have been it. I guess they're keeping the hostages for this very reason. Without them Hamas has zero capital left, except for firing rockets and going on raids from within refugee camps and the odd statement from the leadership pretending to be angry from their golden high-rise apartments in Qatar and UAE.. UN should've been in Rafah weeks ago, clearing up the mess we're now in. My guess is that Russia would veto that every day of the week to keep the focus on Palestine rather then the extensive glide bombing Russia is currently putting the population of Kharkiv through. Edited April 9 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted April 9 Moderator Share Posted April 9 Israel are like a schoolboy being forced by their dad to shake hands with a smaller boy they had a fight with. It's a difficult negotiation, Israel being forced reluctantly to the table by the US to talk with a group they've vowed to kill and who have vowed to kill them, all whilst Israel try to get on with the assault that they want to carry out on Rafah and no doubt Hamas eye a distant future where they can rebuild and attack again - both sides are too extreme in their positions for any negotiation to be anything but performative and the US must know that much of what they're doing is theatre. There's also the looming deadline for Israel of the completion of the US pier for aid, that's going to get very awkward indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Looks like Iran and Israel will stop flirting and start fighting tonight. Mass diverting of flights now, Israeli airborne command post (Like Airforce One) is up over the Negev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 May have started - tweet claims Iranian drones already launched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Jesus, it’s going to get messy. All eyes on the US then to see if they back their words up. Edited April 13 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Israeli airforce launching preemptive strikes against Hezbollah positions in Lebanon, trying to hit the rocket launching positions before they fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) This is what it was about since the start. Expect the US to go hard now. Edited April 13 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 minutes ago, magnkarl said: This is what it was about since the start. Expect the US to go hard now. US will do the defensive work to back up Israel. Iran needs to synchronise launches of different systems to make sure they arrive simultaneously and try to overwhelm the air defence network. That’s why the Israelis have gone straight for the Hezbollah rockets, they won’t get them all but the idea is to stop them firing so many they overwhelm the network. Ballistic missiles will be the last thing fired. Tonight will be about Israeli defensive ops and weathering the Iranian storm, then they’ll flip it to offensive ops and take this straight back to Iran in a major way. The F35A’s are there to strike Iran directly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Hundreds of drones launched in several waves, and also a multi-front attack with systems being fired from Yemen and possibly Iraq. Iran SECDEF statement: ‘Any country that will allow IAF to operate to attack Iran will be attacked.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pongo Waring Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I cant stand Iran. My crypto portfolio is down because of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 UK Typhoons from Cyprus working to intercept drones launched from Iranian militias in Iraq against Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) German and French assets also working hard against Iranian drones. Pakistan? Afghanistan? Feels like Iran is risking a lot here. Death throes of the priesthood? If Iran launches ballistic missiles we’ll likely see the next version of the iron dome in action, as well as what the f35 is capable of. If Israel doesn’t openly side with Ukraine now I don’t know what it’ll take. Edited April 13 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Isn't this just going to be like when the Americans killed Soleimani, Iran launched a few missiles at an airbase in retaliation and left it at that, I doubt it's the start of World War 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 4 minutes ago, will87 said: Isn't this just going to be like when the Americans killed Soleimani, Iran launched a few missiles at an airbase in retaliation and left it at that, I doubt it's the start of World War 3. No, US estimates are 400-500 drones launched from Iran, plus drones from Yemen and Iraq, plus cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles will follow. This is a serious effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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