Football Kits 2018/19

[VillaJ100]

I can't see Brazil on anything other than yellow and blue... It was bad enough with the yellow shirt white shorts! 

[NurembergVillan]

7 hours ago, villa4europe said:

Not London because the community isn't as strong as the Nigerian (for some reason I think Cameroon is largely French??) Will be interesting to see what the international sales are like because that's who the kit is targeting imo (Which after the Nigeria kit success isn't that much of a surprise)

Maybe @NurembergVillan Will know, what happened to puma and Cameroon?

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Is that a definite kit?  It was only March that the announcement was made they were looking for a new supplier.  I'd be surprised if Nike take it on and even if they do, if that's the kit.  It's too soon.

In terms of the relationship, it's a surprise, but also I can imagine Cameroon wanting a decent wedge when they've not performed for a few years now.

Puma will be kitting out Man City next season and that will have cost them a fortune.  They seem to be shifting to the model of a few massive assets rather than lots of mid-tier ones.  Italy, Dortmund, City, Milan, Marseille...

[sne]

New Plop kit by New Balance is rather nice actually.

 

Edited April 18, 2019 by sne

[HanoiVillan]

Just looks confused to me, like they couldn't decide between two different designs so went with both. 

[NurembergVillan]

There's a cosmetic dentist near Liverpool's training ground who must be driving a McLaren.

[villa89]

On 18/04/2019 at 21:30, HanoiVillan said:

Just looks confused to me, like they couldn't decide between two different designs so went with both. 

The gold and white combination just looks strange. Go for one colour or the other.

That camroon kit looks great. Theres not enough risks taken with kit design. Take note Nurembergvillan.  

[sne]

Still think it's pretty nice-ish. Has a retro look.

The goalie kit is ace.

Edited April 20, 2019 by sne

[NurembergVillan]

On 20/04/2019 at 12:30, villa89 said:

The gold and white combination just looks strange. Go for one colour or the other.

That camroon kit looks great. Theres not enough risks taken with kit design. Take note Nurembergvillan.  

I'm not designing kits any more, unfortunately.

I feel like when it was my turn with Cameroon we took a few risks, though.

[Zatman]

29 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

I'm not designing kits any more, unfortunately.

I feel like when it was my turn with Cameroon we took a few risks, though.

Didnt Cameroon take a few fines for this? 

[NurembergVillan]

Just now, Zatman said:

Didnt Cameroon take a few fines for this? 

The top two kits of the three got banned.

There was nothing in the rules at the time to say a shirt had to have sleeves or be separate from the shorts.  The rules were amended after we did it.  Any kit has to be pre-approved before it can be worn competitively, so it was a bizarre situation both times.

With the all in one kit, they wore it at the ACN and were immediately threatened with sanctions if they wore it again.  Obviously, it was the only kit they had with them, so they wore it in the next match too.  FIFA fined them and docked points their WC qualifying campaign.

We took it all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and won the appeal.  The six points were given back and the fine was repaid too.  We matched the fine and gave the money to grassroots football charities in Cameroon.

[Zatman]

I remember I think was 2002 they had the sleeveless kit and was a big thing about them wearing at World Cup

Not sure how true it was but Puma said woukd be more aerodynamic

[NurembergVillan]

12 hours ago, Zatman said:

I remember I think was 2002 they had the sleeveless kit and was a big thing about them wearing at World Cup

Not sure how true it was but Puma said woukd be more aerodynamic

The sleeveless and all in one weren't about aerodynamics, they were to combat shirt pulling.

Back in that era from about 2002-2006 it was a big issue and referees were either missing it or even if it was called a foul it was impeding real opportunities.

We spent a lot of time looking at ways to make the shirt harder to grab. The sleeves were often an issue at set pieces and Cameroon had some big lads back then - Song, Mboma, Mettomo - so we worked on giving them an advantage.  The shirt was worn without sleeves at the ACN but we added black mesh "invisible" sleeves for the World Cup.

the 2006 kits were about speed and aerodynamics played a role in that.  We tested the kit in a low-velocity wind tunnel against those of Nike, Adidas and Umbro.  Our kit was shown to give the player a 30cm advantage in a 20m sprint.  That's the sort of marginal gain that scores a goal or makes a last-ditch tackle.

[Zatman]

Thanks, Pretty interesting stuff as you wouldn't think all these little things go into making a shirt to get the advantages. To me not an expert a jersey was just a jersey

Maybe them little Macron men had some use after all

[NurembergVillan]

32 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Thanks, Pretty interesting stuff as you wouldn't think all these little things go into making a shirt to get the advantages. To me not an expert a jersey was just a jersey

Maybe them little Macron men had some use after all

Most jersey's are just a jersey.  I don't go in for that, though!

[villa4europe]

Did you get any feedback from the players?

I can remember both kits being news here and iirc puma ran tv advertising for them on UK tv too, what did their FA think of it? Sometimes not all publicity is bad

[sharkyvilla]

On 21/04/2019 at 22:15, NurembergVillan said:

The top two kits of the three got banned.

There was nothing in the rules at the time to say a shirt had to have sleeves or be separate from the shorts.  The rules were amended after we did it.  Any kit has to be pre-approved before it can be worn competitively, so it was a bizarre situation both times.

With the all in one kit, they wore it at the ACN and were immediately threatened with sanctions if they wore it again.  Obviously, it was the only kit they had with them, so they wore it in the next match too.  FIFA fined them and docked points their WC qualifying campaign.

We took it all the way to the Court of Arbitration for Sport and won the appeal.  The six points were given back and the fine was repaid too.  We matched the fine and gave the money to grassroots football charities in Cameroon.

The second one is all-in-one?  My brain is trying to work out how they put the kit on.  I'm probably missing something obvious Does it zip up at the back?

[Stevo985]

The NB kits for Liverpool have mostly been awful.

That one is probably their best effort, but as someone else said, it still looks a bit confused.

[NurembergVillan]

On 22/04/2019 at 12:25, villa4europe said:

Did you get any feedback from the players?

I can remember both kits being news here and iirc puma ran tv advertising for them on UK tv too, what did their FA think of it? Sometimes not all publicity is bad

We used to get feedback across the teams, but with Cameroon the process was different.  We would present the kit to the senior players first and if they approved it we'd show it to the coach, Winfried Schäfer.  Once they were all happy with it the presentation to the FA was a foregone conclusion.

They were all fine with the first two kits, but after the furore of them we went the same process again only to have the FA guy tell us that we would need to fly to Cameroon and present it to the whole FA board.  They were too scared of getting into trouble again.  Thankfully we managed to avoid that meeting and got it all signed off.

After that meeting, in Hamburg, we went out on the piss with the Cameroon players.  Class night out.

The next morning, hanging out of my arse, we had to fly to Sofia and present to Hristo Stoichkov and the Bulgarian FA.  Man, he gave us a working over.  Not a good hangover cure!

16 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

The second one is all-in-one?  My brain is trying to work out how they put the kit on.  I'm probably missing something obvious Does it zip up at the back?

There was a small hidden zip in each shoulder.

[S-Platt]

7 hours ago, NurembergVillan said:

We used to get feedback across the teams, but with Cameroon the process was different.  We would present the kit to the senior players first and if they approved it we'd show it to the coach, Winfried Schäfer.  Once they were all happy with it the presentation to the FA was a foregone conclusion.

They were all fine with the first two kits, but after the furore of them we went the same process again only to have the FA guy tell us that we would need to fly to Cameroon and present it to the whole FA board.  They were too scared of getting into trouble again.  Thankfully we managed to avoid that meeting and got it all signed off.

After that meeting, in Hamburg, we went out on the piss with the Cameroon players.  Class night out.

The next morning, hanging out of my arse, we had to fly to Sofia and present to Hristo Stoichkov and the Bulgarian FA.  Man, he gave us a working over.  Not a good hangover cure!

There was a small hidden zip in each shoulder.

Have you started writing that book yet?  All these little tales make great reading and I am sure you could tell more!  Multi billion pound industry now so I think a book from the inside would be fascinating!  Not sure if you have the time but some quotes from the players about their memories would be insightful too!  If you think of the history of kits you could do it from many different angles.

[May-Z]

Horrible, horrible kit.