darrenm Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 About what I expected after SNP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Awol said: Fair enough, I hadn't checked properly. Edit: Steve Rotheram is standing down from his Liverpool Walton safe seat, apparently Corbyn the younger is looking to take over. In fairness mate does it matter. A son/daughter influenced by their mother/father/sibling and pursuing a similar path is hardly news is it and if I listed the amount of political families over the years I’d be here all day. This is the trouble with any election is that they get bogged down with such trivial crap and let those in power off the hook by doing so. We have disabled people killing themselves after losing their benefits, we have homeless people dying on the streets, we have millions of children living in poverty, we have over a million people reliant on food banks, we have record waiting times in A and E and people kept on trollies in corridors for hours, we have elderly and frail people being left abandoned in their homes or needlessly taking up a hospital bed as the social care system has been decimated due to being starved of funding. I could go on and on yet much of the media hasn’t mentioned any of it and you come into a thread like this and go on social media and we are talking about meaningless crap such as a rumour that Jeremy Corbyns son my well be following in his father’s footsteps. We have gone seriously wrong somewhere haven’t we and have our priorities as to what matters mixed up. No bigger example of getting your priorities wrong than having an election focused on Brexit. Basically re running a referendum that took place a year ago. One where by the result has been acted upon and sailed through parliament with the triggering of article 50. Yet the government have chosen to make it the main focus of the election. I wonder why? I wonder why they don’t want to talk about the NHS, about housing, about social care, the decimation of public services, about disabled people having their benefits taken from them, about the bedroom tax, about the rape clause, about the stagnation of peoples wages, about the amount of people on zero hours contracts, about the working poor, about homeless people, about children living in poverty…... I wonder why they are happy to turn a blind eye to the rhetoric that many believe that all their woes will be cured once we have come out of Europe and we can stop Johnny Foreigner coming over here. It is all bullshit and we are all guilty when we stand for it. The Tories got away with murder, literally in the case of those who have taken their own lives due to benefit cuts, over the last 7 years hiding behind the deficit for making the ideological cuts they have. They will now hide behind Brexit to continue along the same path, and more as they will be able to erode workers’ rights this time, and many of us are blindly walking into it. Edited April 21, 2017 by markavfc40 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Mine is about on parity with other tests I've run ..i.e I kinda can't make my mind up on anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, darrenm said: About what I expected after SNP 86%? You're probably more SNP than Sturgeon herself is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: behind the deficit for making the ideological cuts they have. at the risk of an Ahh but , didn't Miliband and Balls confirm that a future Labour government would work within the spending framework laid down by Osborne, and would not seek to reverse any of the welfare cuts imposed by the coalition. if it's ideological , then it seems had Milliband not clutched defeat from the jaws of victory we'd now be having these ideological Labour cuts that doesn't make it right , but it does sorta invalidate your ideological argument imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 33 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: In fairness mate does it matter. A son/daughter influenced by their mother/father/sibling and pursuing a similar path is hardly news is it and if I listed the amount of political families over the years I’d be here all day. This is the trouble with any election is that they get bogged down with such trivial crap and let those in power off the hook by doing so. We have disabled people killing themselves after losing their benefits, we have homeless people dying on the streets, we have millions of children living in poverty, we have over a million people reliant on food banks, we have record waiting times in A and E and people kept on trollies in corridors for hours, we have elderly and frail people being left abandoned in their homes or needlessly taking up a hospital bed as the social care system has been decimated due to being starved of funding. I could go on and on yet much of the media hasn’t mentioned any of it and you come into a thread like this and go on social media and we are talking about meaningless crap such as a rumour that Jeremy Corbyns son my well be following in his father’s footsteps. We have gone seriously wrong somewhere haven’t we and have our priorities as to what matters mixed up. No bigger example of getting your priorities wrong than having an election focused on Brexit. Basically re running a referendum that took place a year ago. One where by the result has been acted upon and sailed through parliament with the triggering of article 50. Yet the government have chosen to make it the main focus of the election. I wonder why? I wonder why they don’t want to talk about the NHS, about housing, about social care, the decimation of public services, about disabled people having their benefits taken from them, about the bedroom tax, about the rape clause, about the stagnation of peoples wages, about the amount of people on zero hours contracts, about the working poor, about homeless people, about children living in poverty…... I wonder why they are happy to turn a blind eye to the rhetoric that many believe that all their woes will be cured once we have come out of Europe and we can stop Johnny Foreigner coming over here. It is all bullshit and we are all guilty when we stand for it. The Tories got away with murder, literally in the case of those who have taken their own lives due to benefit cuts, over the last 7 years hiding behind the deficit for making the ideological cuts they have. They will now hide behind Brexit to continue along the same path, and more as they will be able to erode workers’ rights this time, and many of us are blindly walking into it. I was just having a bit of fun at Corbyn's expense, not making a serious point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2017 Id argue that the austerity line and scorn thrown at Labour's presiding over the crash meant it would be suicidal to do anything else at the time. Which still doesn't show Labour in a good light, because they'd basically be taking the Tory line to save themselves regardless of their actual thoughts, but wouldn't prevent it being ideological. It was just an ideological line so prevalent and so ingrained at that point they were **** to go against it, even if that was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, snowychap said: 86%? You're probably more SNP than Sturgeon herself is! It is slightly concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: at the risk of an Ahh but , didn't Miliband and Balls confirm that a future Labour government would work within the spending framework laid down by Osborne, and would not seek to reverse any of the welfare cuts imposed by the coalition. if it's ideological , then it seems had Milliband not clutched defeat from the jaws of victory we'd now be having these ideological Labour cuts that doesn't make it right , but it does sorta invalidate your ideological argument imo It is not a Labour ideology is it to reduce the size of the state. It is though certainly a Tory one. Tories have always been in favour of privatisation over nationalisation. That is not to say that Labour haven’t privatised things of course certainly under Blair. I wouldn’t say it is in Labours DNA where as it is most certainly in the Tories. The economy could have been booming. We could have been running a surplus and the Tories would still have wanted to do exactly what they did over the last 7 years. They would though of course have struggled to justify it but they have most certainly used the deficit as a means to hide behind to inflict the kind of cuts they relish. All of course at the same time as increasing national debt. Austerity hasn’t worked. They will now use Brexit as an excuse to continue to make cuts and use it as a means to erode workers right. They must feel all their Christmas’s have come at once. Edited April 21, 2017 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Bit of a flawed survey, as some of the 'more options' are mostly in line with the two or three main options, but still count as disagreeing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Little bit concerned I side with UKIP on immigration Edited April 21, 2017 by StefanAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I was disappointed not to find a Yes I agree with Fracking but only in the North of England option ... how can it be a fair test if you remove a key Tory policy ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 where are you doing that poilitical survey thing? I'd like to try it. I believe i'm a fence-sitter liking and disliking a bit of all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted April 21, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) 49% UKIP and 48% Green.... You're a complex man @tonyh29 It's like you want to hug the trees, but none of the foreign ones. Edited April 21, 2017 by Davkaus 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Quote World's eight richest people have same wealth as poorest 50% The Oxfam report added that since 2015 the richest 1% has owned more wealth than the rest of the planet. It said that over the next 20 years, 500 people will hand over $2.1tn to their heirs – a sum larger than the annual GDP of India, a country with 1.3 billion people. Between 1988 and 2011 the incomes of the poorest 10% increased by just $65, while the incomes of the richest 1% grew by $11,800 – 182 times as much. https://tinyurl.com/h23y48k Who can I vote for that is willing to do anything about this? I think the Greens are the only one who have it as a part of their manifesto. It is the biggest issue facing the world IMO. As the article says, it is not a rule of capitalism that the rich must forever get richer at the expense of the poor, it is a policy decision. The problem is that the policy is being set by people who are too easily influenced by the very wealthy or indeed are already a part of that very exclusive set. I'm no revolutionary, I don't want to take all their money or anything like that, but wanting to restrain and reverse this growth in inequality has to be a sensible position doesn't it? It is a global problem, but it is having very local impact. I've said it before, the money to end austerity is out there. Do you think those top 8 guys would notice a difference in their quality of life if they paid 10% more tax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just now, ender4 said: where are you doing that poilitical survey thing? I'd like to try it. I believe i'm a fence-sitter liking and disliking a bit of all parties. Here you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just now, Davkaus said: 49% UKIP and 48% Green.... You're a complex man @tonyh29 I suspect it was being against Fracking and Nuclear that skewed the Green % tbh other than Brexit I'm not entirely sure what I agree with UKIP on as I don't' actually know what other policies they have ( probably like most of us ?) ... I was tempted to say Yes assassinate terrorists overseas but the liberal side got the better of me and I decided against it (whose policy is that anyway ? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just now, Straggler said: https://tinyurl.com/h23y48k Who can I vote for that is willing to do anything about this? I think the Greens are the only one who have it as a part of their manifesto. It is the biggest issue facing the world IMO. As the article says, it is not a rule of capitalism that the rich must forever get richer at the expense of the poor, it is a policy decision. The problem is that the policy is being set by people who are too easily influenced by the very wealthy or indeed are already a part of that very exclusive set. I'm no revolutionary, I don't want to take all their money or anything like that, but wanting to restrain and reverse this growth in inequality has to be a sensible position doesn't it? It is a global problem, but it is having very local impact. I've said it before, the money to end austerity is out there. Do you think those top 8 guys would notice a difference in their quality of life if they paid 10% more tax? as none of them live in the UK I don't think the Greens can do anything about it ? tbh I agree with you though , I'm all for getting wealthy , but a few million will do me thank you very much , these people that have accumulated Billions should out of common decency or even a shred of morals , give 90% of their wealth away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted April 21, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 21, 2017 I Side With is a US based quiz and the questions all skew towards US positions. They seem to have fudged it into fitting UK parties and added a few UK relevant questions, but I'm not convinced it's that accurate. I got 80% Labour on it yesterday but I certainly don't think I'm that close to them. But then the questions rarely gave an option that matched my actual position so it's never going to be that accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) BTW - apparently this is me. Bit upset to see that much BNP in there. Looks like I have to head off to Scotland and get on that independence vote. Edited April 21, 2017 by Straggler no pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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