magnkarl Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Hakeem Jeffries seems solid. Future president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Vote passes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Yeah. Vote in Senate on Tuesday, Biden can sign it immediately, and munitions could be at the front line in under a week. Took an awful long time to get here, but I’m impressed Mike Johnson has (finally) grown a pair and put his career on the line to get this over the line. Anyway, this just goes to show how important a Biden win will be in November. Europe need to be ready to step up in case Trump gets in, and hopefully the last six months has been a bit of a wake up call on that front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said: Europe need to be ready to step up in case Trump gets in, and hopefully the last six months has been a bit of a wake up call on that front. Alot of European countries haven't grasped this obvious fact. Edited April 20 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Seems the US plans to get stuff in to Ukraine as soon as the ink is on the paper. Trucks moving out of American bases in Germany with Abrams, Strykers and lots of kit from the European rapid response forces being utilised and later back filled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 It seems this new raft of equipment is an effort to get the frontline to move back towards Russia before the inevitable settlement. I think its accepted now that this war will end with Ukraine ceding territory to Russia. It's just a case of how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 22 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, villa89 said: It seems this new raft of equipment is an effort to get the frontline to move back towards Russia before the inevitable settlement. I think its accepted now that this war will end with Ukraine ceding territory to Russia. It's just a case of how much. Got a link? I'm sceptical of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 This isn't where I saw it but it's a decent source Quote https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/27/biden-endgame-ukraine-00133211 Quote With U.S. and European aid to Ukraine now in serious jeopardy, the Biden administration and European officials are quietly shifting their focus from supporting Ukraine’s goal of total victory over Russia to improving its position in an eventual negotiation to end the war, according to a Biden administration official and a European diplomat based in Washington. Such a negotiation would likely mean giving up parts of Ukraine to Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 9 hours ago, villa89 said: This isn't where I saw it but it's a decent source But that was written before the US came in with their biggest aid bill ever. We'll see. My guess is that it depends on the election in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: But that was written before the US came in with their biggest aid bill ever. We'll see. My guess is that it depends on the election in November. Trump (if he wins) will fly to Kyiv and Moscow. Draw a line on the map and end the war with the threat of direct American involvement if they don't. The next few months dictates where they line is drawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Trump (if he wins) will fly to Kyiv and Moscow. Draw a line on the map and end the war with the threat of direct American involvement if they don't. The next few months dictates where they line is drawn. The line will likely be in China, since Trump thinks Oslo is the capital of Germany. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Just goes to show what happens when America leads. It loosens the purse strings of others. Edited April 23 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 23 Moderator Share Posted April 23 30 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Trump (if he wins) will fly to Kyiv and Moscow. Draw a line on the map and end the war with the threat of direct American involvement if they don't. No. Can’t see that. The US right sees no role for the US in a far off conflict between two European states. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, blandy said: No. Can’t see that. The US right sees no role for the US in a far off conflict between two European states. Yes, the most likely scenario imo is Trump cuts the US military aid and puts political pressure on Zelensky to formally give up land now occupied by Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted April 23 Moderator Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, Genie said: Yes, the most likely scenario imo is Trump cuts the US military aid and puts political pressure on Zelensky to formally give up land now occupied by Russia. Yep. Trump doesn’t like Zelenski because he declined to be blackmailed by Trump to provide dirt on Hunter Biden. Even if the above happens, Zelenski is under no obligation to give up. He’d try and get more help from Europe, though Europe doesn’t have the capacity to replace US supplies of arms and so on. Even this last US package will only last so long, maybe a year, then it’s back to square one. Russia is gaining ground all the time now, so will just wait it out. The west is fearful of either side losing and thus in this weird position of relative inaction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 1 hour ago, pas5898 said: Trump (if he wins) will fly to Kyiv and Moscow. Draw a line on the map and end the war with the threat of direct American involvement if they don't. The next few months dictates where they line is drawn. No chance of this. Trump will do exactly what Putin tells him to do, just like he did when he gave Putin the list of CIA spies (one of whom ended up dead soon after if I remember correctly). Remember that Putin has those videos of Trump with ladies of the evening in Moscow and Trump won't listen to anyone in Europe. Edited April 23 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 23 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23 On the other hand, Trump had dinner with Duda (Polish Prez) the other day; they get on quite well. Now notice Trump's lack of comment on the aid bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Another close to £1b aid package sent by UK now too. Hopefully Europe will use the time that this US package will allow Ukraine, to ramp up production and not continue resting on its laurels. Maybe the Germans could finally release the Taurus too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 24 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Another close to £1b aid package sent by UK now too. Hopefully Europe will use the time that this US package will allow Ukraine, to ramp up production and not continue resting on its laurels. Maybe the Germans could finally release the Taurus too. And one by Finland, and Norway at about the same size. Maybe once we start seeing the ATACMS in action the Germans will be less scared to give the taurus. Give it until next week before ATACMS will start causing havoc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted April 23 VT Supporter Share Posted April 23 Looks like the meat grinder is going to be turned back on then, I'm doubting the Russians will have any decent equipment to stop the ordnance that's going to be coming their way, especially if they have over extended and not dug in/fortified their positions. It really is a destructive war for both countries, devastating tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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