Popular Post sidcow Posted March 26, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 Rag'n'bone men in Ukraine are going to be driving around in Ferraris next year. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 It seems Biden said what everyone is thinking. Putin can’t remain in power. The Kreml must be shitting themselves over the mess they’ve created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theboyangel Posted March 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 28 minutes ago, sidcow said: Rag'n'bone men in Ukraine are going to be driving around in Ferraris next year. They’re only human after all (definitely getting my coat!) 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, theboyangel said: They’re only human after all (definitely getting my coat!) I put the blame on you 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted March 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, magnkarl said: It seems Biden said what everyone is thinking. Putin can’t remain in power. The Kreml must be shitting themselves over the mess they’ve created. That’s a bad misstep by Biden imo. If the US/West wants regime change in Moscow then morally we’ve no business leaving the Ukrainians alone (officially) to fight Russia, and certainly not holding back so many of the weapon systems they need. It also makes Putin less likely to withdraw voluntarily from Ukraine, and probably reduces the appetite domestically to try and axe him - no Russian wants to be seen doing the dirty work of the Americans. All in all a pretty stupid and unhelpful thing to say. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Already back tracking on that moronic speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 The BBC homepage still implying that the yanks are gonna take him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 45 minutes ago, sne said: Already back tracking on that moronic speech. The comment was apparently - "For God's sake this man cannot remain in power" That sounds pretty unambiguous to me. White House doing damage limitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Xela said: The comment was apparently - "For God's sake this man cannot remain in power" That sounds pretty unambiguous to me. White House doing damage limitation. The cynic would say it's almost like the US want's the war to keep going. Surely not... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, sne said: The cynic would say it's almost like the US want's the war to keep going. Surely not... We’ve known that for weeks. Ukraine is a way to bleed a former superpower dry and hopefully induce change. That Biden said something as Trumpish as that is certainly interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Xela said: The comment was apparently - "For God's sake this man cannot remain in power" That sounds pretty unambiguous to me. White House doing damage limitation. I presume Biden got emotional from hearing the stories from the refugees earlier in the day and went a bit off piste. If Churchill or Roosevelt had a Twitter feed out of Auschwitz they’d probably say much, much worse. Yes, I went there. What’s happening in Mariupol is Auschwitz level evil, and I’m Jewish. Edited March 26, 2022 by magnkarl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, magnkarl said: I presume Biden got emotional from hearing the stories from the refugees earlier in the day and went a bit off piste. If Churchill or Roosevelt had a Twitter feed out of Auschwitz they’d probably say much, much worse. Yes, I went there. What’s happening in Mariupol is Auschwitz level evil, and I’m Jewish. The holocaust was an event in a class of its own and no one (regardless of faith) should ever cheapen that, imo. Mariupol is of a piece with Aleppo and Grozny, a city that is systematically destroyed and a civil population abused by design - but not exterminated on sight. It’s worse than Sarajevo though, making it the biggest atrocity of this type in Europe since 1945. It’s also important to note that while Putin is a very bad and evil man, he’s not Hitler*. Russia’s campaign in Ukraine is one of old-fashioned imperial conquest, not a racial war to eradicate specific groups of humanity. * Caveat, if Putin starts wanging nuclear weapons around willy-nilly then clearly he’s on a fast track to historic infamy. Edit: In terms of Biden getting emotional, that’s likely exactly right. I think most of us are, just from witnessing this through screens and social media. Edited March 26, 2022 by Awol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 27, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2022 Baghdad but on a smaller scale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sam-AVFC Posted March 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Baghdad but on a smaller scale? Baghson? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Awol said: making it the biggest atrocity of this type in Europe since 1945. Are we including Dresden? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share Posted March 27, 2022 I'm hoping the Biden comment was strategic in some way, but it was likely just reckless riffing off script, a Biden specialty. He can't help himself. He went there to flex his muscles but overdid it. A gaffe like this would normally have been smoothed over in back channels, but those appear to be scrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 5 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Baghdad but on a smaller scale? Nope, not even after the Iraqis had spent five years ripping it apart. If you want to point to a western equivalent of destruction deliberately inflicted on civilian infrastructure, you’ve got to go back to WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 4 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Are we including Dresden? No, that’s why I said since 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 If Biden really did go off script there, which it sounds like he did, then that’s a bad one. Bit puzzling, as he’s been pretty solid so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 6 hours ago, fruitvilla said: Are we including Dresden? Why was Dresden any worse than the bombing of London during WW2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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