Steve Bruce

[holteend1982]

1 hour ago, sheepyvillian said:

You did see the part where I said just because you lose a few games ?

A Champions league final. Not a bad season, wouldn't you say ? 

The word " gobsmacked ", should of give you a clue. Oh, never mind, once again.

In that champions league run they've beaten one good side, man city. Rest have been average. They also have sane, firminho and mane which is one of the best attacking line ups in the world, they failed to win plenty of games in the league which is why they never even put a challenge together for the title or not even second. Knocked out league Cup, knocked out fa cup. Lose this champions league final and they've achieved nothing. 

[alreadyexists]

Just looking at some stats and Steve Bruce has overseen our ‘most successful’ period (excl caretakers obv) since Graham Taylor 87-90, depends how you define success obviously but he has our highest win percentage since G Taylor Mark 1. Purely on winning games obv, I know we’re in the Championship.

Aston Villa manager stats

All Aston Villa Managers

Manager	From	Until	Hons	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Steve Bruce	2016	Now	0	31	18	20	69	44.93
Roberto Di Matteo	2016	2016	0	1	7	4	12	8.33
Eric Black (caretaker)	2016	2016	0	0	1	6	7	0.00
Remi Garde	2015	2016	0	3	7	13	23	13.04
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	0	0	2	2	0.00
Tim Sherwood	2015	2015	0	10	2	16	28	35.71
Scott Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Andy Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Paul Lambert	2012	2015	0	34	26	55	115	29.57
Alex McLeish	2011	2012	0	9	17	16	42	21.43
Gerard Houllier	2010	2011	0	14	11	14	39	35.90
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2010	2010	0	2	2	3	7	28.57
Martin O'Neill	2006	2010	0	80	60	50	190	42.11
David O'Leary	2003	2006	0	47	35	49	131	35.88
Graham Taylor	2002	2003	0	19	14	27	60	31.67
John Deehan (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
Stuart Gray (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
John Gregory	1998	2002	0	82	52	56	190	43.16
Brian Little	1994	1998	1	68	45	51	164	41.46
Ron Atkinson	1991	1994	1	77	45	56	178	43.26
Jozef Venglos	1990	1991	0	16	15	18	49	32.65
Graham Taylor	1987	1990	1	65	35	42	142	45.77
Billy McNeill	1986	1987	0	9	15	17	41	21.95

[Dave J]

4 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Unless you're the best team in the world, then no you can't.

I must have missed that season when Jurgen Klopp won every single game he managed. Weird.

One of the biggest criticisms of Liverpool is that they'd be a lot better if they sorted their defence out.

I really don't see what was unconstructive about my post. As usual somebody has disagreed with you and you've thrown your toys out of the pram.

I think Sheepy is only talking about purpose and intent - something that Liverpool  have in abundance and qualities I would like us to have in our DNA - true you have at times the need to modify your game but not as a general rule of thumb imo 

[fightoffyour]

2 hours ago, alreadyexists said:

Just looking at some stats and Steve Bruce has overseen our ‘most successful’ period (excl caretakers obv) since Graham Taylor 87-90, depends how you define success obviously but he has our highest win percentage since G Taylor Mark 1. Purely on winning games obv, I know we’re in the Championship.

Aston Villa manager stats

The Marshall brothers say "hello" 

[Stevo985]

26 minutes ago, Dave J said:

I think Sheepy is only talking about purpose and intent - something that Liverpool  have in abundance and qualities I would like us to have in our DNA - true you have at times the need to modify your game but not as a general rule of thumb imo 

The bit in bold is exactly what I said.

[HanoiVillan]

3 hours ago, alreadyexists said:

Just looking at some stats and Steve Bruce has overseen our ‘most successful’ period (excl caretakers obv) since Graham Taylor 87-90, depends how you define success obviously but he has our highest win percentage since G Taylor Mark 1. Purely on winning games obv, I know we’re in the Championship.

Aston Villa manager stats

All Aston Villa Managers

Manager	From	Until	Hons	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Steve Bruce	2016	Now	0	31	18	20	69	44.93
Roberto Di Matteo	2016	2016	0	1	7	4	12	8.33
Eric Black (caretaker)	2016	2016	0	0	1	6	7	0.00
Remi Garde	2015	2016	0	3	7	13	23	13.04
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	0	0	2	2	0.00
Tim Sherwood	2015	2015	0	10	2	16	28	35.71
Scott Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Andy Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Paul Lambert	2012	2015	0	34	26	55	115	29.57
Alex McLeish	2011	2012	0	9	17	16	42	21.43
Gerard Houllier	2010	2011	0	14	11	14	39	35.90
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2010	2010	0	2	2	3	7	28.57
Martin O'Neill	2006	2010	0	80	60	50	190	42.11
David O'Leary	2003	2006	0	47	35	49	131	35.88
Graham Taylor	2002	2003	0	19	14	27	60	31.67
John Deehan (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
Stuart Gray (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
John Gregory	1998	2002	0	82	52	56	190	43.16
Brian Little	1994	1998	1	68	45	51	164	41.46
Ron Atkinson	1991	1994	1	77	45	56	178	43.26
Jozef Venglos	1990	1991	0	16	15	18	49	32.65
Graham Taylor	1987	1990	1	65	35	42	142	45.77
Billy McNeill	1986	1987	0	9	15	17	41	21.95

What depresses about that table is that the last eight years has seen basically the same managerial turnover as the previous twenty-four. Okay, several of those are caretakers, but that's just further evidence of the problem since they come from sacking managers mid-season. 

I really think we need stability. Sacking a manager who took us to a playoff final because he doesn't set us up like Jurgen Klopp or whatever else is not wise at this point. 

[alreadyexists]

54 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

What depresses about that table is that the last eight years has seen basically the same managerial turnover as the previous twenty-four. Okay, several of those are caretakers, but that's just further evidence of the problem since they come from sacking managers mid-season. 

I really think we need stability. Sacking a manager who took us to a playoff final because he doesn't set us up like Jurgen Klopp or whatever else is not wise at this point. 

Bang on mate.

[sheepyvillian]

5 hours ago, holteend1982 said:

In that champions league run they've beaten one good side, man city. Rest have been average. They also have sane, firminho and mane which is one of the best attacking line ups in the world, they failed to win plenty of games in the league which is why they never even put a challenge together for the title or not even second. Knocked out league Cup, knocked out fa cup. Lose this champions league final and they've achieved nothing. 

So reaching a Champions league final and qualifying, yet again, for next seasons campaign, and playing some very entertaining football along the way, is achieving nothing ?

Credit where it's due.

I'll tell you something though,  should we happen to be on the end of a bad result, come Saturday. Then maybe,  but hopefully not, we can readdress the achieving nothing subject.

[Dave J]

2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

The bit in bold is exactly what I said.

Oh I see the normal highlight one line response - ok cool

[sheepyvillian]

6 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

I stated that you can win some games with an attacking philosophy and some you can't. To which you replied

 

To which the answer is "no you can't"

The fact Klopp has lost some games is evidence of that, not evidence of the contrary.

 

Look, you obviously won't be happy until we're playing like Guardiola's Barcelona and bulldozing teams every week 5-0. IF we ever get there I'll be as happy as you are.

But if it was as easy as just attacking every game then, again, why doesn't every team in the world play incredible football? Is every manager in the world crap apart from the handful of teams who do play like that?

The reality is that unless you are one of the elite teams, then there are games where you can attack and games where you can't. To go into every game with an alout attack attitude isn't just idealistic, it's **** moronic.

You can point to Klopp all you want. He manages Liverpool, one of the best teams in Europe with one of the best players in Europe. It's like complaining that I can't run 100 meteres in 10 seconds because Tyson Gay can do it.

And when I sad " you really mean you can't win every game by attacking "?

And I replied, " I'm gobsmacked ", you didn't think he's having a bubble this one ?

It's a good job I never took the toys jibe literally. I'd still be picking them up now.

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

What depresses about that table is that the last eight years has seen basically the same managerial turnover as the previous twenty-four. Okay, several of those are caretakers, but that's just further evidence of the problem since they come from sacking managers mid-season. 

I really think we need stability. Sacking a manager who took us to a playoff final because he doesn't set us up like Jurgen Klopp or whatever else is not wise at this point. 

I don’t think Houllier was that bad considering we were going through transition. If he hadn’t got ill and kept on another year things could have been different.  That summer was the beginning of the end. 

[sheepyvillian]

3 hours ago, Dave J said:

I think Sheepy is only talking about purpose and intent - something that Liverpool  have in abundance and qualities I would like us to have in our DNA - true you have at times the need to modify your game but not as a general rule of thumb imo 

No think about it Dave.

Some are just too clever for their own good.

[Dave J]

26 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I don’t think Houllier was that bad considering we were going through transition. If he hadn’t got ill and kept on another year things could have been different.  That summer was the beginning of the end. 

You know I have often thought this - Houllier knew his stuff - yes at times he was also practical and no nonsense  but I would have welcomed him for much longer  and it was a pity it ended the way it did for him.

[bannedfromHandV]

49 minutes ago, Dave J said:

You know I have often thought this - Houllier knew his stuff - yes at times he was also practical and no nonsense  but I would have welcomed him for much longer  and it was a pity it ended the way it did for him.

We were bang average under houllier, from what I remember we were bumming around between relegation spots and midtable until we picked up toward the end and even some of those results were more down to McAllister (having taken over for the last few games). 

And that was when we still had a decent team too 

Edited May 23, 2018 by bannedfromHandV

[Stevo985]

1 hour ago, Dave J said:

Oh I see the normal highlight one line response - ok cool

Even when I’m telling you I’m agreeing with you you can’t help but make a snidey comment. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Stevo985

[bannedfromHandV]

Just now, Stevo985 said:

I’m agreeing with you!!!

Hell hath frozen over

[Dave J]

2 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

We were bang average under houllier, from what I remember we were bumming around between relegation spots and midtable until we picked up toward the end and even some of those results were more down to McAllister (having taken over for the last few games). 

And that was when we still had a decent team too 

I just think that under his reign we could have improved greatly - but we will never know 

[Dave J]

4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Even when I’m telling you I’m agreeing with you you can’t help but make a snidey comment. 

Wow Stevo - you tell someone else about a snidey comment?

i have literally read it all now.

[sheepyvillian]

7 hours ago, alreadyexists said:

Just looking at some stats and Steve Bruce has overseen our ‘most successful’ period (excl caretakers obv) since Graham Taylor 87-90, depends how you define success obviously but he has our highest win percentage since G Taylor Mark 1. Purely on winning games obv, I know we’re in the Championship.

Aston Villa manager stats

All Aston Villa Managers

Manager	From	Until	Hons	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Steve Bruce	2016	Now	0	31	18	20	69	44.93
Roberto Di Matteo	2016	2016	0	1	7	4	12	8.33
Eric Black (caretaker)	2016	2016	0	0	1	6	7	0.00
Remi Garde	2015	2016	0	3	7	13	23	13.04
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	0	0	2	2	0.00
Tim Sherwood	2015	2015	0	10	2	16	28	35.71
Scott Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Andy Marshall (caretaker)	2015	2015	0	1	0	0	1	100.00
Paul Lambert	2012	2015	0	34	26	55	115	29.57
Alex McLeish	2011	2012	0	9	17	16	42	21.43
Gerard Houllier	2010	2011	0	14	11	14	39	35.90
Kevin MacDonald (caretaker)	2010	2010	0	2	2	3	7	28.57
Martin O'Neill	2006	2010	0	80	60	50	190	42.11
David O'Leary	2003	2006	0	47	35	49	131	35.88
Graham Taylor	2002	2003	0	19	14	27	60	31.67
John Deehan (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
Stuart Gray (caretaker)	2002	2002	0	0	2	0	2	0.00
John Gregory	1998	2002	0	82	52	56	190	43.16
Brian Little	1994	1998	1	68	45	51	164	41.46
Ron Atkinson	1991	1994	1	77	45	56	178	43.26
Jozef Venglos	1990	1991	0	16	15	18	49	32.65
Graham Taylor	1987	1990	1	65	35	42	142	45.77
Billy McNeill	1986	1987	0	9	15	17	41	21.95

I couldn't care less about stats, just promotion. The only, and I mean, the only thing that matters.

[Vive_La_Villa]

36 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

We were bang average under houllier, from what I remember we were bumming around between relegation spots and midtable until we picked up toward the end and even some of those results were more down to McAllister (having taken over for the last few games). 

And that was when we still had a decent team too 

There were some signs of potential. Playing Man U off the park at home with kids was one of the highlights. The players were trying to play football but a lot of MON’s signings weren’t comfortable enough on the ball for it to work.  

I think with a full summer he might have put an ok team together. But I guess we’ll never know.