Czechlad Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 My only issue is I don't think he will get us promoted in a playoff scenario. We also don't look like we will get top 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, Czechlad said: My only issue is I don't think he will get us promoted in a playoff scenario. We also don't look like we will get top 2. Well that's then a fairly huge issue LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Well that's then a fairly huge issue LOL It is. I can't say with certainty that Bruce won't do well in a playoff scenario, but our record against the better championship teams are quite poor. I have little faith in Bruce if we need to win against a good club. Next match against Derby will tell a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2017 Today was really poor. Weirdly, I don't blame the tactics. I blame the motivation. The movement and the heart didn't seem there today and the players were constantly making basic mistakes. Very strange. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Zatman said: I said it before and was criticised but with budget and players available. He should still be sacked it we only go up via the play-offs There are plenty of people who share that opinion, and I am one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Eastie said: Two defeats in the last 18 games and 36 points from and there is no way on earth they will even think about sacking him . He was very lucky to survive after Cardiff and reading but results since then have averaged 2 points per game . Agree with all that. The only scenario he gets sacked is if we drop out of play off contention. And that’s almost impossible, teams as low as 12 th in April can still be “ in contention”. Bruce is here for another 5 months come what may. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Equally I doubt it will be any longer, come what may. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Dick said: If you don't like opinions, I suggest starting a forum where people agree with what your views are. Have it as a closed group so you can inspect each person and demand they meet the criteria. It is abit silly though calling for bruce out after one poor result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 Going to be 9 points away from Cardiff monday night. Even at this stage that is going to be difficult to catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 2 hours ago, av1 said: Our entire back 4 are experienced PL players and our Midfield contained 2 experienced PL players, and our top goalscorer. I'd say it more a case of having a very limited Manager. Indeed. Otherwise the mystery of why Hourihane, Lansbury, And Hogan all regularly scored for their previous Clubs is indeed perplexing. It’s no mystery. When - through chasing a game or even chance ( but also on occasions recently through choice and tactics) - we commit bodies forward one sees passing, movement, and threat. The rest of the time we don’t. The players can do it. The ability exists. The lack of repeatability and consistency is down to the guy in charge. As it would be at any Club, but especially where there is an extensively assembled, experienced, squad. He is limited. He is still overly negative and most certainly does not worry too much about ‘ pass and move’ football. BUT - as we’ve seen recently - he is capable of getting results. In my view it is as certain we will stay in touch “ there or thereabouts” I think is his motto - with Play Off Places ( wrongly viewed by some as a reasonable goal ) as it is certain we will be nowhere near ( Automatic) Promotion. Thats not going to change one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, terrytini said: Indeed. Otherwise the mystery of why Hourihane, Lansbury, And Hogan all regularly scored for their previous Clubs is indeed perplexing. It’s no mystery. When - through chasing a game or even chance ( but also on occasions recently through choice and tactics) - we commit bodies forward one sees passing, movement, and threat. The rest of the time we don’t. The players can do it. The ability exists. The lack of repeatability and consistency is down to the guy in charge. As it would be at any Club, but especially where there is an extensively assembled, experienced, squad. He is limited. He is still overly negative and most certainly does not worry too much about ‘ pass and move’ football. BUT - as we’ve seen recently - he is capable of getting results. In my view it is as certain we will stay in touch “ there or thereabouts” I think is his motto - with Play Off Places ( wrongly viewed by some as a reasonable goal ) as it is certain we will be nowhere near ( Automatic) Promotion. Thats not going to change one way or the other. Agree with this. The more I think about it Bruce might actually think it's easier to get up through the playoffs, as opposed to seriously challenge for automatic promotion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, terrytini said: Indeed. Otherwise the mystery of why Hourihane, Lansbury, And Hogan all regularly scored for their previous Clubs is indeed perplexing. It’s no mystery. When - through chasing a game or even chance ( but also on occasions recently through choice and tactics) - we commit bodies forward one sees passing, movement, and threat. The rest of the time we don’t. The players can do it. The ability exists. The lack of repeatability and consistency is down to the guy in charge. As it would be at any Club, but especially where there is an extensively assembled, experienced, squad. He is limited. He is still overly negative and most certainly does not worry too much about ‘ pass and move’ football. BUT - as we’ve seen recently - he is capable of getting results. In my view it is as certain we will stay in touch “ there or thereabouts” I think is his motto - with Play Off Places ( wrongly viewed by some as a reasonable goal ) as it is certain we will be nowhere near ( Automatic) Promotion. Thats not going to change one way or the other. i think there is case for Bruce to answer in terms of negative football.....I also think there is a case to say players need to look at themselves too. Up front we have very little other than a willing lad, who is finding the going tough. There is also a clear lack of intelligent movement for me.....and more disturbingly an ability to beaten in the air for just about every aerial ball....leaving us exposed to losing ground. I would say its both ......they are both to blame Imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, vreitti said: Agree with this. The more I think about it Bruce might actually think it's easier to get up through the playoffs, as opposed to seriously challenge for automatic promotion. Its not a case of its easier.......This team in its present form, can't go up automatically. We haven't got the forward power to go up automatically. We started the season with an iffy forward section of the squad and its got worse,....its currently broken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Today was really poor. Weirdly, I don't blame the tactics. I blame the motivation. The movement and the heart didn't seem there today and the players were constantly making basic mistakes. Very strange. Neil Harris said before the game ,they were going after villa.....they did and we was clearly uncomfortable with it. you have to compete in this league....we will have better days, but we need strikers to hurt teams. in terms of football nous.....very low grade indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Easy to say in hindsight and I know most fans including me would have gone nuts had he been our manager at the time. But if it was all about promotion and nothing else. Why didn't we go for Warwock? Surely his promotion record is second to none? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted December 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2017 53 minutes ago, villa89 said: There are plenty of people who share that opinion, and I am one of them. well i'm glad i dont work for you guys then. year end appraisal: "you've met your target this year but i'm afraid you're sacked" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 minute ago, TRO said: Its not a case of its easier.......This team in its present form, can't go up automatically. We haven't got the forward power to go up automatically. We started the season with an iffy forward section of the squad and its got worse,....its currently broken. Agreed, but that's solely down to the manager, imho. He's had the time and the resources. Regardless of injuries, which I'll admit are hurting us at the moment, he's not made any genuine effort to develop a playing style that'd suit the players available. Granted he's made us hard to beat, and instilled some sort of winning mentality, but performances have still been inconsistent and largely terrible, irrespective of the results. It won't be enough, and today was evidence of that. The players just don't have a clue what to do when we need to break down teams. Adomah or whoever won't be able to save the day every game. The lack of a game plan cannot be substituted with grit and individual talent alone. At this day and age, you need both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vive_La_Villa Posted December 9, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Stevo985 said: Today was really poor. Weirdly, I don't blame the tactics. I blame the motivation. The movement and the heart didn't seem there today and the players were constantly making basic mistakes. Very strange. You can't blame the tactics because they are the same every game home or away! Apart from a few tweaks in formation does anything else ever change? Results will just depend upon whether the players turn up on the day and a bit of luck. Today the result was decided by a combination of poor finishing and a superb keeper displayed. Millwall will be kicking themselves they didn't win that game. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted December 9, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, tomav84 said: well i'm glad i dont work for you guys then. year end appraisal: "you've met your target this year but i'm afraid you're sacked" If you want what Bruce earns you wouldn't. Watford sacked their manager last season and wasn't it close to their best finish in the Premier League for a long time of not ever (I think anyway. I don't claim to be factually correct) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, vreitti said: Agreed, but that's solely down to the manager, imho. He's had the time and the resources. Regardless of injuries, which I'll admit are hurting us at the moment, he's not made any genuine effort to develop a playing style that'd suit the players available. Granted he's made us hard to beat, and instilled some sort of winning mentality, but performances have still been inconsistent and largely terrible, irrespective of the results. It won't be enough, and today was evidence of that. The players just don't have a clue what to do when we need to break down teams. Adomah or whoever won't be able to save the day every game. The lack of a game plan cannot be substituted with grit and individual talent alone. At this day and age, you need both. The manager is involved for sure, but its not just down to him.....what if he wants players, but the club couldn't sign them. as for the style......what happens at a corner, where we look as likely to score from a header as the govenment getting a smooth brexit. He hasn't got players who can score in any style. Up front we are Bankrupt.....nothing to do with style, just don't have the players.We have no forward who can score, for whatever reason. You can only play, with what you have got. Edited December 9, 2017 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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