Popular Post Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Eastie said: Speculation is he's going through a divorce although that does not excuse his behaviour . Bruce is a football boss not a divorce counselor . Divorce can effect people though Whether your on £6 an hour down the local factory or 40k a week playing football. I'm still very angry but if there is a valid excuse like personal problems then let's try and sort it. If it's him being lazy or having no commitment then he should go. Edited January 22, 2017 by Rugeley Villa 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kurtsimonw Posted January 22, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: Speculation is he's going through a divorce although that does not excuse his behaviour . Not entirely the place for it, but if it is true, as someone who has issues with depression, I can understand it. It's certainly something that can cause someone to go in to a depression. Now I don't earn as much money as him, but that's irrelevant IMO, because I've called in sick or with other excuses. Not because I'm lazy, not because I think I can get away with it. Because leaving the house or having to face people is something I feel I can't cope with. Ross might be being lazy, but he might not. Probably best not to just rip in to someone because a manager is trying to swing his dick around for the media. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: Divorce can effect people though. Whether your on £6 an hour down the local factory or 40k a week playing football. I'm still very angry but if there is a valid excuse like personal problems then let's try and sort it. If it's him being lazy or having no commitment then he should go. There have been 100s of players and managers go through divorce in football though - as Bruce says it's the first time in 20 years he's outed a player for attitude . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 13 minutes ago, Eastie said: Speculation is he's going through a divorce although that does not excuse his behaviour . Bruce is a football boss not a divorce counselor . The club should look after all players through all circumstances. Bruce as manager will want to do his part too, of that I am sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted January 22, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'm not going to comment on what I've heard in relation to the specific issues regarding Ross McCormack, it wouldn't be right to do so. Clearly there are things affecting him at the moment and clearly its had an impact upon his career at Villa. On the one had I'm sympathetic, money doesn't stop personal issues as we saw 20 years ago with Stan. Surely we are past the "but they earn a fortune" thing now? On the other, he has a job to do and like any of us who have issues in our personal lives we still have to turn up and do our jobs. Put simply McCormack has fallen short on this front this season. Its a problem for all concerned and one I don't think is going to get resolved any time soon. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, DK82 said: The club should look after all players through all circumstances. Bruce as manager will want to do his part too, of that I am sure. Maybe so and it sounds Ross has been cut some slack but where do you draw the line - as Bruce said he will not stand for it so I doubt it's just a case of missing training a couple of times. the reaction of Bruce was very unusual and suggests it's a culmination . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Eastie said: There have been 100s of players and managers go through divorce in football though - as Bruce says it's the first time in 20 years he's outed a player for attitude . That's fair enough but it's a bit of a cold way to look at it. Like I said if it's just him being lazy and not having the right attitude then I'd rather him go. If he does have personal problems for whatever reason then we need to cut him some slack. I thought he did well at the start but has completely gone off the boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said: That's fair enough but it's a bit of a cold way to look at it. Like I said if it's just him being lazy and not having the right attitude then I'd rather him go. If he does have personal problems for whatever reason then we need to cut him some slack. I thought he did well at the start but has completely gone off the boil. Don't get me wrong - I've been a big backer of Ross on here and hope things work out for him here but with Bruce having gone public I cannot see that happening now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, Eastie said: Maybe so and it sounds Ross has been cut some slack but where do you draw the line - as Bruce said he will not stand for it so I doubt it's just a case of missing training a couple of times. the reaction of Bruce was very unusual and suggests it's a culmination . Bruce has already offered chances to others who have been a problem. He can't now turn his nose up at Ross and I don't think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Eastie said: Don't get me wrong - I've been a big backer of Ross on here and hope things work out for him here but with Bruce having gone public I cannot see that happening now . Well I'm glad he did go public. Bruce Knows what the fans have had to suffer in recent years and he's probably seeing it for himself now. Either way it needs sorting. If they can solve it then great but if not then we can't have that atmosphere around the club. We all know RM has it in him to help us get out of this league. His record speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, DK82 said: Bruce has already offered chances to others who have been a problem. He can't now turn his nose up at Ross and I don't think he will. Surely if that were the case he would have kept this private and not launch a scathing public outburst slating Ross for fitness , attitude and performance . the slate was wiped clean from the moment Bruce arrived which is why gabby was given his chance , as Bruce has said he's never taken this action in 20 years as a manager it suggests to me the rift is a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The problem is that if he is depressed, from a financial point of view we should sell him immediately. From a humane point of view we should be helping him through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, lexicon said: The problem is that if he is depressed, from a financial point of view we should sell him immediately. From a humane point of view we should be helping him through this. Alerting potential buyers to his off the field behavior will see his value plummet though - we will struggle to get £8m back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I don't know if it was unintentional but Brucie hopping over his gate to let him have it also completely invalidated his excuse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Eastie said: Surely if that were the case he would have kept this private and not launch a scathing public outburst slating Ross for fitness , attitude and performance . the slate was wiped clean from the moment Bruce arrived which is why gabby was given his chance , as Bruce has said he's never taken this action in 20 years as a manager it suggests to me the rift is a big one. And now it is out in the open I hope it gives Ross a wake up call and the club offer help and support. We always hear ex-players raving about the Villa family, now is the time to show it. im not disagreeing with you, just hoping we can come out of this with a healthier and happier RM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: Alerting potential buyers to his off the field behavior will see his value plummet though - we will struggle to get £8m back . The longer we wait, the lower his price tag will get though. Collymore left us on a free transfer after we shelled out a lot (in those days) for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, lexicon said: The problem is that if he is depressed, from a financial point of view we should sell him immediately. From a humane point of view we should be helping him through this. We have a duty as a club to look after our players who are suffering for whatever reason. But we can only go so far and ultimately it's down to the player to do the rest. I mean we are all throwing accusations about his personal life but it could just be him being unprofessional. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Rugeley Villa said: We have a duty as a club to look after our players who are suffering for whatever reason. But we can only go so far and ultimately it's down to the player to do the rest. I mean we are all throwing accusations about his personal life but it could just be him being unprofessional. True, hence the 'if' - it's all hypothetical from our perspective right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Bruce has taken this action to wake him up, I'm sure he didn't want to do it but clearly nothing else was working with the player. Mcormack will be dreading the fans now and rightly so, a little bit of fear and an almighty kick up the butt never did anyone any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 22, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted January 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jareth said: Bruce has taken this action to wake him up, I'm sure he didn't want to do it but clearly nothing else was working with the player. Mcormack will be dreading the fans now and rightly so, a little bit of fear and an almighty kick up the butt never did anyone any harm. It sounded like an act of last resort from a man at the end of his tether with RMC. sounds like he's tried all the normal things you would expect and it's not helped. Bruce has been a manager for 20 years. I can't imagine some of the egotistical, brash, arrogant, irresponsible, free spirited types he must have had to deal with over and again down through the years. He made a point of specifically saying he's never had to call one out in public before. Doesn't sound like a man trying to get someone through depression or difficult family circumstances. Sounds like a man who knows exactly what his circumstances are and is flabbergasted by his actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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