bickster Posted May 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: How much influence would Brexit have on council elections? Normally the governing party gets a kicking in mid-term elections anyway. I suppose you'd expect Labour to have gained rather than lost too under normal circumstances. Normally, you'd be right, these aren't normal times, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Just now, sharkyvilla said: How much influence would Brexit have on council elections? James Cleverly MP is your man for that question. He knew what every voter meant by their vote last night. The ones voting tory were saying get on with Brexit. The ones voting labour were saying stop being obstructive and help get brexit done. The ones voting for remain parties were protesting at the lack of progress by labour in landing brexit. The ones staying home were disappointed we haven't left yet. The unborn were waiting for Brexit so they could touch down on free england's triumphant soil. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: James Cleverly MP is your man for that question. He knew what every voter meant by their vote last night. Perhaps we should ask him to explain Mr Johnson's vote, as Mr J seems to be struggling with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, peterms said: Perhaps we should ask him to explain Mr Johnson's vote, as Mr J seems to be struggling with that. vote early vote often vote in your lying little head 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 As of a few minutes ago, all three brexit parties are a combined total of 960 councillors down. There's your second referendum right there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: As of a few minutes ago, all three brexit parties are a combined total of 960 councillors down. There's your second referendum right there. No No No No, thats a clear signal to leave and leave quick, clearly it is, it's very clear, it's so clear, clearness is there in abundance Update: I think it's 1018 now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2019 1076 losses for the Brexit parties with 58 councils still to declare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted May 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2019 What is utterly frustrating is that both major parties are focusing on the fact that its the fault of the other one and that this is the reason why they have lost so many seats and a vindication that their position on Brexit is the right one. They don't ever acknowledge that they themselves are equally to blame, and actually this is an indication that both parties Brexit positions are utterly wrong. I am pleased that the Greens are doing very well out of it, and whilst I probably wouldn't vote Lib Dems, I am pleased to see them doing much better. Their simple message of 2nd referendum and sticking to local policies appears to have paid off, despite the issues they had whilst in government... Everyone though has a short memory in politics What does interest me/concern me is what happens in the Euro elections, with both "ChangeUK" and "the Nigel Farage Ego Fascist Party" joining the fray. Whilst it would appear that the remain disdain is having its say, the "pro-brexit" voters do not seem to have an alternative to vote for yet. I think both Tories and Labour are heading for a right royal kicking in the Euro Elections and if they both realise it, I reckon a deal could be done very quickly. They are self-serving parties that do not act in the best interest of the country. I just hope that enough people see that now before its too late, though I have my doubts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I'd agree with that, the two main Brexit parties have their own survival as absolute priority number 1. These results could see a fudge n bollocks agreement on meaningless wording tweeks and brexit delivered at the earliest date they can get 326 brexit MP's in parliament. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, cyrusr said: What is utterly frustrating is that both major parties are focusing on the fact that its the fault of the other one and that this is the reason why they have lost so many seats and a vindication that their position on Brexit is the right one. They don't ever acknowledge that they themselves are equally to blame, and actually this is an indication that both parties Brexit positions are utterly wrong. I am pleased that the Greens are doing very well out of it, and whilst I probably wouldn't vote Lib Dems, I am pleased to see them doing much better. Their simple message of 2nd referendum and sticking to local policies appears to have paid off, despite the issues they had whilst in government... Everyone though has a short memory in politics What does interest me/concern me is what happens in the Euro elections, with both "ChangeUK" and "the Nigel Farage Ego Fascist Party" joining the fray. Whilst it would appear that the remain disdain is having its say, the "pro-brexit" voters do not seem to have an alternative to vote for yet. I think both Tories and Labour are heading for a right royal kicking in the Euro Elections and if they both realise it, I reckon a deal could be done very quickly. They are self-serving parties that do not act in the best interest of the country. I just hope that enough people see that now before its too late, though I have my doubts. The rest of the post is kind of fair enough, but they aren't actually equally to blame are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted May 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The rest of the post is kind of fair enough, but they aren't actually equally to blame are they? Perhaps not necessarily equal blame, but Labour should take a shoulder a significant amount of the blame at the very least. Their own infighting has lead to an incompetent opposition and I am still not entirely sure what the Labour policy is on Brexit. To be fair neither do the Labour MPs but they have not done anything to actually break the deadlock themselves. Why have they allowed the Tories to keep going back? Why didn't they back parliament taking over the Brexit negotiations? Why were the orders for the whip to go against that? Labour's opposition must be accountable as well and, for me at least, it has been underwhelming to say the least. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 7 hours ago, bickster said: Well those council elections seem to have gone spectacularly well for the main Brexit-supporting parties Both of them are seeming to spin this as voters showing a desire for Brexit to get done. They are clearly off their bloody chumps The county wants out. It's sent a message that we want Brexit, and we want it now. I mean, what other possible interpretation can there be of these results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 3, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2019 Why's the media ignoring the facts? Public opinion has changed due to the lies of the leave campaign and the hopeless negotiation skills of our politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, ml1dch said: The county wants out. It's sent a message that we want Brexit, and we want it now. I mean, what other possible interpretation can there be of these results? Slightly more updated results: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2019 She's just been on the telly box now, saying the clear message is to get on with it. The 3 Brexit parties lose (currently) 1,500 councillors and she sees that as a message to leave. I guess if the tories lose some MEP's at the end of the month she'll take that as an endorsement to invade Belgium. She's a disgrace. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2019 Her reaction is just bonkers isn't it? She's frustrated that MP's won't vote for her (terrible) deal, and she's somehow projecting that frustration onto the voters - who in her mind have all voted against her party as a way of showing their frustration at the way that party has treated her. I think she might be genuinely ill. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisVillan Posted May 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Her reaction is just bonkers isn't it? She's frustrated that MP's won't vote for her (terrible) deal, and she's somehow projecting that frustration onto the voters - who in her mind have all voted against her party as a way of showing their frustration at the way that party has treated her. I think she might be genuinely ill. She's genuinely an absolute word removed. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisp65 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 all slowing down as it comes close to the end it's taking up to 20 minutes to lose each tory seat now but I can wait 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2019 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2019 One of the few not the many (Labour MP's I'd vote for) and no I don't mean Abbott 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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